Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Greetings Y & NayborBear!,

Been busy here too. Just stepped in to cool down, I know everyone thinks it is "September", but it is actually "August" both climatically and spiritually. I grow wheat, barley, flax and rye every year to get a better idea where we are in our Creators timeline rather that Pope Gregory's calendar timeline.

The Barley usually forms grain heads some time in early to mid March, but this year the heads did not appear until early June! Is that unusual? Yes, very. Now I have only been growing them for 6 years so I don't have a long historical database to compare it too, but everything is about 1.5 to 2 months late this year! There is a Civil calendar such as the Gregorian calendar, but there is a separate calendar for Gods festivals that runs according to His timeline that we reckon each year, I think!

Prattling on.

Good to see you here. Off to the fields again.

SG

Hi SG!

Your post got me thinking, isn't there something in the law about all lands being returned to their ancestral clans every 50 years?

The land that you are using to farm grains on, who would it be returned to?

Would everyone in the USA have to go back to Europe or wherever they came from, because all the land would be returned to descendants of native Americans?

I could see some positives in the
concept. It would probably limit the growth of the super rich and of giant corporations, which (my liberal economic opinion here) are probably not good.

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. That was His stated primary purpose for everything He did.

Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled when the people returned from Babylonian exile.

A lot of posts around here aren`t worth bothering with.

"He ascended without finishing the task."

Maybe that's where you and I would really differ in our interpretation, then.

I think that your interpretation would require Jesus to have said something more like
I came to start the process of fulfilling the law and the process, and I will come again to complete the process.

This "year" seems to be progressing much faster than usual, like we shouldn't be in September just yet.

He offered rest, but they would not.
therefore, line on line, precept on precept.
in order that they stumble and fall and be broken.
they boasted in a covenant of death, refuge in a lie.
therefore, a cornerstone laid in Zion.

what is this talking about?
Paul, writing by the Spirit, gives us some of the interpretation here, where he quotes it:

if it's about 'traditions/precepts of men' then why does it say 'the law' ?
Paul certainly has a big enough Greek vocabulary to use the word for 'traditions of men'

aren't we talking about 'the law'? is it supposed to be, 'for what the completely uninspired, totally man-made & unscriptural traditions could not do, in that they were weak through the flesh.. ' ?
surely you don't believe it's like PS says, the Torah is actually all Moses speaking for a false pagan god?

I understand the frustrating part man!
Just keep "putting it out there!"
Something I have learned from my time in CC, is that there are people in here reading and watching, although, they may not "participate?" That "see/feel" things "differently", then "the majority."
And, there are "believers" at different "stages" of development and growth.

Most in here that do participate believe "saved by grace through faith" and "walking in love", is enough. And, that's as much "healing" as they wish, or that they are willing to be healed. As "love" covers a multitude of sin! Even the "sin/s" of not even recognizing Mosaic Law, nor even the 10 commandments, in some cases.
Nor, any reason to!
(I could go on and on. And shall! ....But not in this post. )

Just keep "putting it out there!"

I was asked this once before and my answer created a bunch of hysterics. Seems to be the norm around here. I`ll give you the same answer anyway.

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. That was His stated primary purpose for everything He did. He ascended without finishing the task. He will not return until Israel is ready for Him to finish His task. When He does return His purpose will be to fulfill the Prophets and keep God`s word.

The New Covenant cannot be implemented until He returns because Jeremiah chapter 31 must be fulfilled.

Romans 11

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

that's poor math, mate.

if we were talking about love, then yes, our English language is insufficient, and sometimes a nuance of what the scripture is saying may be lost, because we have substituted through translation, one word 'love' for several different words in the original text.

when we are talking about {covenant, will, testament, contract} then we are in an opposite case: there is one word in the original Greek, as you have been shown, for which through translation we have substituted several different words. in this case, we have added nuance that is not in the scriptural text.

in the first instance we have a loss of information in translation. nuances are all collapsed in the projection.
in the second instance we have an introduction of information. nuances are added in the projection.

F is neither 1:1 nor onto, and the situation with 'love' is completely different than the situation with 'diatheke'
you are quite wrong to say that gb9's point is irrelevant -- it is very relevant.

But this can't be true if we are all grafted in to the same olive tree.

This very scripture shows you what will happen with Jews when they come to Christ. And should show you that we are in the New Covenant RIGHT NOW.

Romans 11:23-24
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?


They will be grafted into the same olive tree that Christians are enjoying RIGHT NOW.

They will be grafted into the same New Covenant that Christians are enjoying RIGHT NOW.


If they abide not still in unbelief. Which, HOW CAN THEY not abide in unbelief if you are telling them they must wait for some future return of Christ before they can be grafted back in???

I'm not blaming this entirely on you. This is what most Christians who have a carnal view of the bible think. They think there is 1 covenant for the Jews and 1 for everyone else. Just most others don't understand the implications of what they are saying and you do.

But this can't be true if we are all grafted in to the same olive tree.

Who is greater?
Jesus?
Or, He who sent Jesus?

If I can cut in to say, that's an interesting thought.

It's possible, but I don't think the jubilee applies to any land other than Israel's.

Also, if I remember correctly, the land has to be claimed by its original owner in time else it stays in the possession of the new owner.

I'll have to reread that section to confirm this.

You are twisting my words. Jesus fulfilled the Law. He didn`t fulfill all the prophecies which is why there must be another age on this earth before "new earth".

“I and my Father are one.”

Did you miss the entire part where Jesus went back to all those who died under the law and offered grace? Yes, you did. Do you not believe in the power of repentance and forgiveness? If you do, why do you judge and condemn Gods servants? Do you not believe the same commands apply to you as they do everyone else? Do you not believe Jesus conquered death?