Not By Works

You don’t believe regeneration is instant upon believing? How long do you have to believe before God regenerates you.

Are you sure that regeneration is understood here? I had one person ask me if it means being saved again, and another claim I said regeneration is maintained by sin confession

I think the disconnect is a misunderstanding of Gods work of regeneration. You appear to be conflating it with sanctification

A lion’s nature is to eat meat, even though at first it lives on milk. In the same way, a believers nature is to live in obedience to God, even though at first it is only milk obedience.

The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and live soberly and righteously. The regenerate are those who have been taught of God, and being progressively taught of God

My whole argument is that we do not continue in active rebellion when we are regenerated. We struggle, but do not actively rebel.

It has been said here that all things are lawful for believers, even fornication and lying. I think God gave us something better than that

Amen!!

Lordship salvation does not understand the dual nature (the flesh and the righteousness of Christ) of the redeemed man.

Oh btw, I never said regeneration was the Same for everyone. If you want to show me where I said that, I’ll be glad to admit I erred on that point

Yes it does.

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I told you this numerous times yesterday, but I rejoice that you now see that we are in agreement at least on this.

Just because someone disagrees On one point doesnt mean they disagree on all. The only saving works I believe in are the ones God does from beginning to end. I hope everyone keeps this in mind when they read my posts.

First of all, I never mentioned compulsory change. God changes us. That’s error number one on your part.

Secondly, the fact that it is God who changes us is precisely why it is descriptive, not prescriptive. If I said “ you need to change yourself”. That is prescriptive and wrong. If I say “regenerate people have been changed by God”, that is descriptive and correct. Do you notice how one puts an obligation on you to do it, and the other describes it as an already accomplished work of God.

Number three, I am not speaking of a struggle with sin. I struggle every day. I am talking about a continuance in sin see Romans 6. How shall we who are dead to sin continue therein

Fourthly, where does the text say annanais and Saphira were saved? I looked to check, and it’s not there. It does not say they were believers. Check for yourself and let me know what you find.

Have to go to work. Have a blessed day

BTW, where does that post teach losable salvation. Let me know, I am very curious about what you are reading into the text

Be back at lunch to see if you came up with anything

@UnderGrace

Something to think about.

Does someone who hates his brother have eternal life? (1 John 3:15)

Why or why not?

Answers are in 1 John. (1 John 3:14)

If someone can refute this, I would be surprised

I do apologize for my part in the fracas yesterday, LS. I should have been more patient. I get frustrated because people accuse me of believing things terrible l I don’t believe, but no excuse for some of the things I said.

The whole disagreement between myself and others has to do with a difference of views on regeneration

107,509 May shed some light on what I have been saying, God willing. If you feel like it, answer the questions there to yourself, and then apply the answers to what I have been saying. I believe there is a truth there that is being missed by some, that is, what is descriptive of one who has been regenerated by God

the disagreement is this-

when time frames are put on regeneration, then it makes it legalism.

grace salvation is negated when men make up their own rules that the Bible does not say.

I am confused

If i am a believer and i have sex before marraige, am i no longer a believer?

Regenerate people fall and get back up. This is stuff I learned in elementary kid Sunday school

If you say, I’m under grace so I can live in this, you do not understand grace.

The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and live righteously. We are not perfect in it, but it is in our new nature to pursue righteusness

Define regeneration for me. I think the disconnect between us is there.

How long does it take God to regenerate us when we believe? What do YOU say?

So you THINK SO! You do have a VERY TWISTED idea, of what Lordship Salvation Teaches and Believes.
You have bought into yet another lie from the Armenian's about our BELIEFS.

Armenians? I should’ve known better than to trust the Irish. 😡

@Lightskin. Do you see anything in GB9’s post that might indicate why some find my posts hard to understand? Who puts time frames on regeneration. I could be wrong, but maybe GB9 is confusing regeneration with something?

How long do you think it takes God to regenerate a believer? I thought it as pretty much instantaneous. Am I wrong?

It is mostly Arminians that teach anti Lordship. And a lot of fundamental Baptist’s, though I do not think all. But then again, many fundi Baptist’s are Arminian, at least here in Texas

Can you explain to this simple man what you mean by regeneration.
I assume it's not sanctification but possibly justification??