Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

No! It doesn't become easier! It becomes much more difficult!

If you would care to "explore" the lifespan of Christ's Disciples, and that of Paul?

Methinks you would discover that NONE of these "Men of God", "died quietly in their sleep." Would you?

What has happened? Is that you "fell for the con", from those who holler "peace." But PIECE is what is truly in their hearts!
No better then paying protection money to the mafia! Only at the "spiritual" level. So that YOU might die "quietly in your sleep."

So? Who is actually "watering down" the Word of God, and Jesus, whom He sent?

Being sent out amongst "wolves", or like a "lamb to slaughter", doesn't sound like a very easy life to me?

How about you?

Come on! You don't think being good gets you into heaven do you?

Lol,

I am sorry but the men of god went to their deaths with smiles on their face.

Paul,considered being shipwrecked, stoned and left for dead etc etc momentary light afflictions

No on said the LIFE was going to be rosy, our ability to HANDLE it becomes easier


I am sorry you can not comprehend that. Maybe because you do not know your eternity?

You did not hear a word i said

I said our discussion is not about salvation, then you go on this rant about me thinking we must be good to get to heaven

You need some discernment my friend.

You can talk about morality on any forum, but this is a Christian forum.

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Okay, but my primary point is to say that "the remnant of her seed" (that "the dragon [/Satan/the devil]" will thereafter "went to make war with" [v.17]) is not "the Church which is His body"/US. [neither is "the woman," by the way]

I cannot exactly tell, by your post, but do you think it IS (is "the Church which is His body"/US)? Many people do believe that.

This is what happens when you talk about Old Testament Law. We fall away from the Saviour which is what the devil wants.

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Psalm 110
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Even though you are hard to understand at times. You seem to "recognize" that which is going on.

God bless you!

I do understand the difference between plural and singular, but why it matters, in what context it matters, how the changing from singular to plural matters, I would need an explanation with comparisons and examples because I do not know what you are trying to point out as being so significant. So please do, if you would???

But here on my thoughts,
If not natural, are you not grafted in? Once grafted in do you not partake of the same root for life. God is not a respector of persons, correct? Jesus did away with the divisions, didn't he? And just because there were few rules to the "Newly Converted" 2000 yrs ago, haven't all of us today been raised in the same "Word of God"? Or do you think there is a separate bible for gentiles? And just because you can't trace your genealogy doesn't mean you AREN'T any more than it means you ARE of the natural seed. So the law of Moses was (singular). That (singular) LAW was created as "temporary", only in effect "as the law" till John the Baptist. Singular or plural, it is no longer (and never has been) the "law" for us, no matter whos bloodline we came from.

Why? BECAUSE JESUS CAME AND PIECED IT ALL OUT not caring a wit, whether it was singular or plural. removing what was contrary to us, removing the curse by hanging on the cross, becoming the "sacrificial lamb" therefore removing all the ceremonies that went with animal sacrifice, replacing death WITHOUT mercy WITH repentance and forgiveness for life, replacing earthly priests with HIMSELF there went those "parts", the commandments, Gods Divine laws that will never change, be we in the flesh, corruptible body or the spirit incorruptible body, the laws that will never change from one age to the next (yet, no need to write the laws that have to do with "temporary flesh man" is there?) laws like ONLY ONE GOD, NO IDOLATRY, don't make images, don't swear, lie, steal, kill, covet, you know, the 'BE HOLY' ones. Throughout His walk on this planet, there were old ones carried forward and new ones added to, some changes, and leaving all the rest behind, This is the law we are to follow. WHY? Because it is our duty to OBEY IT, NOT TO TRY TO BE JUSTIFIED BY IT, but to keep us on the right path, the path that leads to God, not deception. The law is holy and good. NOT FOR SALVATION, JUST LIKE NOT FOR JUSTIFICATION because the law can't forgive us, the law can't give us life because WE ALL SIN.


Paul confirmed the law by following it himself though, didn't he? The righteous man lives by faith. How are we to know righteousness? Isn't that why the law came in in the first place? To tell the good ways of God from the ways of the world? Can you know God without knowing His laws? NO. you can not. Can you teach God without teaching His laws? NO, you can not.

Can you be
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So should we be teaching the commandments? Yes. Should we be breaking the commandments? NO. Does the law or following the law justify us? No, Are we saved by the law? No. Do we uphold and follow and teach the law? Yes. What law? The law of the kingdom of God. Do we follow the law of Moses? NO, its time for being our law has passed. Do we teach the law of Moses? YES, its value to us has not passed our bondage to it has, be it singular or plural.

Okay, but (to be clear) I wasn't proposing a "post-trib rapture," in case that's what you got out of my post. (I cannot tell, by what you've put... but that's okay. )

Right. [pertaining to "the Church which is His body," agreed. (and Paul, who'd said, "follow me, as I follow CHRIST"/ "Be imitators of me, as I also am of CHRIST.")]

Remember the Mount of Transfiguration? I believe that (what Matt17:9 calls "the vision [G3705 - horama]" [though I believe it really happened back then]) was a kind of "snapshot" of "His Second Coming glory" (2nd Coming to the earth, like in Rev19 [not our Rapture])... so that, where it says, "And when they had lifted up their eyes, they SAW NO MAN [Moses and Elijah no longer in the scene!], SAVE JESUS ONLY" (I believe this is the purpose of the trib yrs for Israel [the 70th Week, which recall, the "70 Weeks are DETERMINED UPON thy [Daniel's] people, and UPON thy [Daniel's] holy city"]... that is, to bring them into the new covenant... I believe that which takes place DURING the trib will POINT THEM to it and to Him as their Messiah).

Now he is sleepy

Lol. Well we know who has true fairh in god and his power and his salvation

I feel sorry for ya man

They said it but you misconstrue it so my arguement is with you. And there are 613 Laws in the law of Moses. See? you dunno your facts.

Tell him to start posting in English

Yet when moses gave the command, all 613 laws had not yet been given.

And yes, your argument is with them

[EDIT to my Post #7753] I meant to add to that ^ : verse 5 (of Matt17) had said, "This is My Beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; HEAR YE HIM."

My argument is with you.

I don't mind clarifying, with regard to anything I've put (that is, if you were referring to my posts )




[for one thing: "this present age [singular]" (/the "NOW") is not the equivalent of "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" that Jesus (and His disciples) referred to in Matt24:3 (includ'g His response in 2 chpts) and Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 upon which their later Matt24:3 Q was based]