Not By Works

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gb9

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Macabeus said:
Remember what @Oncefallen said. No personal attacks. Don't attack the person, attack the argument. SO show where I said any of what you just claimed I said. @Eternally-grateful was challenged by @Rosemaryx about his charges against me and utterly crashed and burned when trying to pin something bad on me. The same will happen to you.

WHAT IS REGENERATION GB9? Do you have any idea?
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regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process.


and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is wrong ( it is not, but you will say it is).

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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process.


and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is wrong ( it is not, but you will say it is).

gb9 out.
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So what does being regenerated mean? Scriptural definition.

So when you believe it BEGINS a PROCESS of regeneration? 😂😂😂

Go ask your pastor if faith BEGINS a PROCESS of regeneration on Sunday, and let me know what he says. 😂

Like I said. GB9 don’t know what regeneration means.

Gives a definition of regeneration from a dictionary that is defining natural regeneration, like a lizard growing a new tale, instead of a def for biblical, spiritual regeneration😂
 
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gb9

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Macabeus said:
OF COURSE IF SOMEONE COMES TO CHRIST in faith THEY ARE REGENERATED then and there. :ROFL: What? do you have to go on a thirty day probation period before Christ will raise you to spiritual life???!!!!Hey, I think I need to check you out first before I raise you to spiritual life. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

And I never said change in behaviour. I said change in NATURE. I am not teaching reformation, I am teaching regeneration.

Keep swingin' buddy. Your axe is very dull though
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notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.
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Salvation is not INSTANT for a person that believes on Jesus for salvation?!!!:rolleyes:

Regeneration is not instant for a person who believes on Jesus for salvation?!!:rolleyes:
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.
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What do our works have to do with regeneration? NOTHING. Regeneration is what God does. Go learn what regeneration means, GB. 😉
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.
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Blatant misrepresentation of my position. Because he doesn’t understand regeneration
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process.


and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is wrong ( it is not, but you will say it is).

gb9 out.
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Is this where you got your definition from, GB9

https://www.google.com/search?q=def.....69i57j0l5.8113j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I Notice you had to google regeneration, because you didn't (and still don't) know what it means. And he used a secular definiton of regeneration that is talking about NATURAL regeneration. Doesn't know the difference between natural and spiritual regeneration :(
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process.


and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is wrong ( it is not, but you will say it is).

gb9 out.
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:LOL:WRONG. That is natural regeneration. Here is SPIRITUAL REGENERATION.https://www.google.com/search?q=bib.....69i57j0l2.8317j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
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I couldn't find Regenerated or regenerating in my bible, but in regard to your discussion, it can happen on 3 levels. Justification which is instant and by faith. Sanctification, which takes time but is through faith in Christ. And glorification, which will be instant but future and through faith in Jesus also. Being transformed and being born again is a wonderful gift that Christ wants to give us all.
 
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Macabeus

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TMS said:
I couldn't find Regenerated or regenerating in my bible, but in regard to your discussion, it can happen on 3 levels. Justification which is instant and by faith. Sanctification, which takes time but is through faith in Christ. And glorification, which will be instant but future and through faith in Jesus also. Being transformed and being born again is a wonderful gift that Christ wants to give us all.
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Regeneration is in the Bible and it is instant. Titus 3: 5.

Your soteriology is incomplete, btw. Salvation ALSO includes regeneration and preservation among other things you failed to list
 
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Macabeus

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TMS said:
I couldn't find Regenerated or regenerating in my bible, but in regard to your discussion, it can happen on 3 levels. Justification which is instant and by faith. Sanctification, which takes time but is through faith in Christ. And glorification, which will be instant but future and through faith in Jesus also. Being transformed and being born again is a wonderful gift that Christ wants to give us all.
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Btw, regeneration is another word for “born again” but it is a different word in the Greek.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KJV1611 said:
A day with the Lord is as a thousand years.... poetry right? Metaphor? No meaning whatsoever to you.
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Adam died the moment he ate the fruit,

A thousand days being like a day to god has no bearing on what happengod d the moment adam ate,

What are signs of his spiritual death

1. He saw his nakedness
2. He forgot who god was (he trid to hide)
3, he forgot god can read our minds and tried to blame eve for his own sin

The things of god became foolishness to his, why? Because a barrier was erected between adam and god, adam was dead, and had to be made alive, which god did in his grace,
 
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Macabeus

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Lightskin said:
He’s referring to your maintenance views.
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What does maintenance have to do with regeneration? Really, LS, you don’t know what regeneration is either?!!☹️

You forgot AGAIN that I stated clearly and unequivicably that Christ will lose none of His sheep and that we are kept by the power of God. 🤪

GB9 was the one who said you can walk away from salvation and that you are saved as long as you believe.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KJV1611 said:
It takes two or three witnesses to establish the truth but I would believe what you say if you could produce ONE VERSE that comes close to saying "spiritual death is relational separation from God".
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Well lets see

In adam all die, in christ all made alive. (Spiritual death)

And you, who WHERE dead in tresspasses and sins, he made alive

The wage of sin is death, the gift of god is eternal life

There are three verses, three witnesses. Non of them are talking about physical death, but the separation of man from god, cause by sin, and the life given to believers, based on the grace of god.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KJV1611 said:
I just thought of something else related to this view. We are all lost from birth. Does this mean that a child is born spiritually dead?
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Yes

All are born dead, in adam all die,

It must be that way so in christ all can be made alive,
 
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Macabeus

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Macabeus said:
What does maintenance have to do with regeneration? Really, LS, you don’t know what regeneration is either?!!☹️

You forgot AGAIN that I stated clearly and unequivicably that Christ will lose none of His sheep and that we are kept by the power of God. 🤪

GB9 was the one who said you can walk away from salvation and that you are saved as long as you believe.
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Bump for lightskin
 
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Macabeus

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Lightskin said:
I believe, with scriptural authority, that salvation is instant upon belief in Jesus. So called maintenance on our part is a lesson in futility.
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Where did I mention maintenance on our part. You must be confusing me with someone else. Maybe Gb9? He said you are saved as long as you believe. I believe we continue to believe BECAUSE we are saved, not stay saved because we continue to believe

Descriptive versus prescriptive, temember?

And yes, regeneration is instantaneous. How did GB not know that

Do you think the Works that I listed as GOD DOING is maintenance on our part?
 
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Macabeus

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gb9 said:
regeneration is not what your phony lordship junk teaches. saved by grace, proved by works.

trash.

yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.


it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.

all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so AS LONG AS as they believe.

regeneration is a separate conversation.
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Look @Lightskin

Regeneration is a separate conversation from salvation?!! 🤣🤣 where does he get this stuff

And notice it is GB, not me that is talking about maintenance. He said all stay saved as long as they believe. That’s maintenance. So maybe you have him and I confused 😉
 
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