Is Salvation by Jesus alone the only way to heaven?

A one week old child that dies is going to heaven, only if it has been born again and quickened to a spiritual life. We are all born into this world with a nature of sin, until we are quickened to a spiritual life Eph 2. The only exception is that John the Baptist while in his mother's womb was quickened to a spiritual life before his natural birth, and I believe that to be an exception with God. Luke 1:41, And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth (John's mother) heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. Not all children that die in their youth (one week old, 1 yr old, 2 yr old) will go to heaven, only those that have been born again, however, I do think that all children that die in their youth will go to heaven, because the scriptures say that the wicked will live to be old.

Oh, I see this went Calvinist....Was going to post on the subject, but it's already been a long day...

I would submit what you're encountering here is not Calvinism.

Are you one of those the Father gave Him?

You consistently avoid recognizing The Book of John chapter 3 and verse 16.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

You see, according to your doctrine, arrived at by ignoring scripture that prove it false, our Father gave only an elect few to His Son so that they would be saved. It isn't the faith of Jesus because Jesus was God and did not require faith in Himself at all. Jesus was on the John 3:16 mission that was to give faith to all who heard that good news.
According to your doctrine, God gave whom He wished to His Son prior to the cross so that His Son/God Himself, would then die on the cross and secure the salvation of those whom he predetermined would be saved there.

This necessarily manifests the converse. That in doing that, God had also pre-created, pre-determined, those whom He would damn to Hell for eternity. Knowing who they were before He created this world. Because those one's, according to your doctrine, were not given to His Son through the "faith of Christ" . And as such according to the paradigm of Salvation and Damnation, requires that God did not give certain people to His Son so that they would be saved. This means God intended those one's to be damned. God, according to you, did it all.

That ideology you are promoting here not only eradicates the Omni Benevolent characteristic of our Father but also presupposes instead that God is Omni-Malevolent.
Because God , the creator of all things, did not have to save anyone at all if He had first forgiven Adam and Eve for their innocent mistake and punished instead the already damned Devil that deceived their innocence though the machinations he employed in the garden so as to be the antithesis of God's righteous law there.

How do you live your life thinking Jesus died only for those God pre-saved at the cross, while having His Son, Himself, nailed to the cross so as to seal the deal?

And do you think you mayhaps shall reconsider ignoring those words of God that defeat your doctrine now? In this life? Or will you insist you are right all the way until you stand at the judgment seat of our Father and explain yourself there.

Oops, sorry then. It just sounded a little like it to me

Provide the scripture that states a newborn child must be redeemed in order to be saved and go to Heaven.
The precise scripture please that states exactly that.

Babies do not sin.

I thought I had explained John 3:16, sorry. God so loved the world. Let us stop right there and discuss what world is it that God is talking about. Another scripture, that I am not going to take time to look up right now, where God says "love not the world, neither the things that are in the world" Surly he is not telling us to not love a world that he says he SO loves. Thayer's Greek interpretation of the word "world" in this scripture is "pertaining to believers only" also the same meaning in John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9 and 2 Cor 5:19. God so loved the world of believers that he gave his Son........ All scripture must harmonize if you are to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.

John 3:6, That which is born of the flesh (our natural birth) is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Verse 7, Marvel not that I said unto the , ye must be born again. Rom 5:12, Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Eph 2:1, For you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and in sins. There is more evidence in other scriptures, if you would like me to give you more. Yes babies lie to their parents. They learn to cry to get you to hold them and the minute you pick them up they will quit crying, and other evidence of sin.

The Cherokee's are interesting to me. They had some similar beliefs to scripture. They were not pagan.
They believed in one God with three distinct beings. And called that God Yo Ho Waah. Some people even think Jesus came a preached to the Cherokee due to the similarities. Yet, I can find no proof of that ever happening.

While I'm white as white can be, my great grandfather was full blooded Cherokee. I wonder could the Cherokee have been worshiping God...I'm not sure, I hope they were? I know God only judges a man according to what he understands so is it possible they may have been serving God to the best of their understanding? Like I said, I don't know, but here is an interesting article on it. It's a little lengthy read, but interesting.

http://nativenorthamericancherokeenationofsequoyah.com/ancientbeliefs.html

what does "through Jesus" mean? how do you know Muslims are not "through Jesus"?

if Muslims go to hell, what exactly are they being punished for?

I believe that I am. and I believe that you are too, and probably everyone on this forum.

I am a Bible thumper and believe only Salvation thru Messiah/ Jesus (alone) is the way to heaven. Yet my Aunt (who claims to be saved) believes even people who "believe in god, even if the wrong god, like Muslims,(for example or put any religion in or lack of) will still go to heaven because of their faith.

Is my Aunt right? Am I right? Is there a middle ground or is my Aunt A. just not really saved?

A one week old child that dies is going to heaven, only if it has been born again and quickened to a spiritual life. We are all born into this world with a nature of sin, until we are quickened to a spiritual life Eph 2. The only exception is that John the Baptist while in his mother's womb was quickened to a spiritual life before his natural birth, and I believe that to be an exception with God. Luke 1:41, And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth (John's mother) heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. Not all children that die in their youth (one week old, 1 yr old, 2 yr old) will go to heaven, only those that have been born again, however, I do think that all children that die in their youth will go to heaven, because the scriptures say that the wicked will live to be old.

What about Jesus' words in The Book of Matthew chapter 18?

18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.


What denomination or doctrine of man would instruct that babies are doomed by God? Of those I would wish no part at all.
The Book of 1st John chapter 4 verse 1 carissimi nolite omni spiritui credere sed probate spiritus si ex Deo sint quoniam multi pseudoprophetae exierunt in mundum

In order to promote what appears to me to be aptly titled, exclusivity doctrine, I believe one must fully ignore the simple revelation from God given in The Book of John chapter 3 verse 16.
"For God so loved the world...."

And then among many similar verses are the words of the Saint Apostle Paul, The Book of 1st Timothy chapter 4[Latin Vulgate]
in hoc enim laboramus et maledicimur quia speravimus in Deum vivum qui est salvator omnium hominum maxime fidelium
KJV = For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

No, if you would, I prefer that you refrain from moving yourself from John 3:16 so as to communicate discord in that passage itself by comparison of what you believe are other verses that dismiss the import of Jesus birth and subsequent sacrifice, and for whom.
16. οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον

Correlating Verses:

Phrase: __________________ Verses:
God ________ Luk 2:14; Rom 5:8; 2Co 5:19-21; Tit 3:4; 1Jo 4:9,10,19

gave__________ Jhn 1:14,18; Gen 22:12; Mar 12:6; Rom 5:10; Rom 8:32

that whosoever________ Jhn 3:15; Mat 9:13; 1Ti 1:15,16