Evidential or presuppositional apologetics?
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There's a bit more to it than that.
All varieties of apologetics believe the same scriptures; they just approach things in different ways... this is a bit of a straw man.
And there are more varieties of apologetics than just presuppositional and evidential... presuppositionalists tend to be a bit reductive.
I should probably just walk away, lol.
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All varieties of apologetics believe the same scriptures; they just approach things in different ways... this is a bit of a straw man.
And there are more varieties of apologetics than just presuppositional and evidential... presuppositionalists tend to be a bit reductive.
I should probably just walk away, lol.
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There's a bit more to it than that.
All varieties of apologetics believe the same scriptures; they just approach things in different ways... this is a bit of a straw man.
And there are more varieties of apologetics than just presuppositional and evidential... presuppositionalists tend to be a bit reductive.
I should probably just walk away, lol.
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All varieties of apologetics believe the same scriptures; they just approach things in different ways... this is a bit of a straw man.
And there are more varieties of apologetics than just presuppositional and evidential... presuppositionalists tend to be a bit reductive.
I should probably just walk away, lol.
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Zachary,
I'm sure you're a good guy.
And talking about different kinds of apologetics is a perfectly good thing to discuss... all good.
However, it's generally not good form to join this site merely to promote and sell your products.
Promoting your book:
1. You're a brand new member
2. Your first post is the creation of an ENTIRE NEW THREAD, DEVOTED ENTIRELY, to the TOPIC OF YOUR NEW BOOK.
3. You have an Amazon link in your signature, directing people to the Amazon page to purchase your book.
4. You are clearly here to promote your book, and send people to your Amazon link to buy your book.
Policies:
* This is probably a violation of site policies.
* At the very least it's considered bad form.
You should probably talk to the owner, or one of the admins... to see if they feel ok about this.
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I'm sure you're a good guy.
And talking about different kinds of apologetics is a perfectly good thing to discuss... all good.
However, it's generally not good form to join this site merely to promote and sell your products.
Promoting your book:
1. You're a brand new member
2. Your first post is the creation of an ENTIRE NEW THREAD, DEVOTED ENTIRELY, to the TOPIC OF YOUR NEW BOOK.
3. You have an Amazon link in your signature, directing people to the Amazon page to purchase your book.
4. You are clearly here to promote your book, and send people to your Amazon link to buy your book.
Policies:
* This is probably a violation of site policies.
* At the very least it's considered bad form.
You should probably talk to the owner, or one of the admins... to see if they feel ok about this.
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
If you are familiar with apologetics enough to discuss its subdivisions, I am sure you are familiar with this. What is the real point you want to make? Because it's odd to ask about something the Bible is very clear on, and you also seem knowledgeable of...
If you are familiar with apologetics enough to discuss its subdivisions, I am sure you are familiar with this. What is the real point you want to make? Because it's odd to ask about something the Bible is very clear on, and you also seem knowledgeable of...
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I believe a combination of all methods can be valuable.
However, I think presuppositional apologetics can be effective to help the person to realize that their thinking is not consistent, and their reasoning is not as well-ordered as they think it is.
By the way, a lot of "evidential apologists" are using weak arguments that incorporate their presuppositions.
However, some people have been saved even based on weak arguments that they find out later are phoney. Still others turn away from their professed faith at some point due to understanding the weakness of the arguments.
In the end, it is God who regenerates people, not pure logic. I believe God uses our thinking abilities to bring us to faith, but ultimately regeneration is what causes people to come to faith (counter to what decisional regenerationists claim).
However, I think presuppositional apologetics can be effective to help the person to realize that their thinking is not consistent, and their reasoning is not as well-ordered as they think it is.
By the way, a lot of "evidential apologists" are using weak arguments that incorporate their presuppositions.
However, some people have been saved even based on weak arguments that they find out later are phoney. Still others turn away from their professed faith at some point due to understanding the weakness of the arguments.
In the end, it is God who regenerates people, not pure logic. I believe God uses our thinking abilities to bring us to faith, but ultimately regeneration is what causes people to come to faith (counter to what decisional regenerationists claim).