Who is the House of Israel today?

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UnitedWithChrist

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David Baron's book references the Scriptures pertaining to the northern kingdom after the Exile and shows that many Israelites returned from the Exile and integrated into Judah. In fact, Anna the Prophetess was from Asher, one of these Ten Tribes.

Luke 2:36 36And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin, 37and then as a widow until she was eighty-four.f She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day. 38And coming up at that very hour she began to give thanks to God and to speak of him to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem.

This isn't the sole proof, though..there are several verses in the OT describing the return of some of the Israelites. See the David Baron book I mentioned if you want further proof that the Western European nations are the lost ten tribes of Israel.

One thing that might give you a clue is that these nations are WHITE not SEMITIC like Israelites were. It should be a big clue. It should also clue black people who think that they are the true Israelites, but obviously they don't listen to sound reason.

If you buy into this British Israel idea, though, and you are of German ancestry, be aware that some of the British Israelites like Armstrong believe that you are a descendant of the evil Assyrians, and that your home country is going to enslave the Western Europeans again. This would be the end time recapitulation of the earlier captivity. :)

By the way, Baron's book is free on Kindle if you want to get it that way.
I should have said, if you want further proof that the Western European nations are NOT the lost ten tribes of Israel.

Then check out David Baron's book.

You might also want to check out this link. A former Anglo-Israelite organization describes the problems with this belief and why they rejected it:

https://archive.gci.org/articles/the-central-plank-cracks/

I am NOT a Anglo-Israelite.

Their theology is a bunch of crappy, poor reasoning. It may be convincing to some poor, new Christian but not to someone who has been exposed to heretical teachings and knows their silly reasoning.

Did you know many Anglo-Israelites think the British royal family actually descends from King David (even though they are Germans ethnically lol). That's part of their understanding of the Davidic covenant and perpetual occupation by a descendant of his. They don't understand Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW (despite the claim of some dispensationalists).

By the way, my understanding is that some Hebrew Roots Movement individuals teach a "Two House" view which is similar. You might want to check that out. It is another attempt to claim certain Gentiles (namely themselves usually) are actually Israelites.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Gen 48:11-20
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. (a multitude of gentiles - non jews)

These did not become "House of Israel" (also known as Jospeh/Ephraim/Northern Kingdom/Lost Sheep) until after the Kingdom split after King Solomon. After that point, we see numerous references to "the house of Israel and the House of Judah".

In 721/722 BC The House of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria. They never returned to God and therefore were scattered throughout the world and became known as Gentiles.

Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

What does the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in" mean? What is the mystery that we are not to be ignorant of?

I have "a" belief or understanding. But I also believe that there is multiple layers to all the scriptures and there is seldom just one understanding. I have found that the scriptures I read last year and had an understanding, that "that understanding" is still correct, but I have a deeper understanding, that is also true. I'll share when opportunity arises in discussion.
In most scriptures "the house of Israel" is referring to Jacob. God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel Gen 33:32.
 

JaumeJ

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The House of Jacob is comprised of the Twelve Tribal Fathers...………...Israel.
The Israel of our Father is all who believe Him.
 
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Ezekiel 11:16-19 (KJV)
16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Would it make you feel better if i called them scattered tribes which no one can find or will be recognized until they are gathered by Christ.
No scattered mankind as individuals would make me feel best. The law is if any man has not the Spirit of Christ. . not what tribe or what color the skin as a qualifier .


Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The House of Jacob is comprised of the Twelve Tribal Fathers...………...Israel.
The Israel of our Father is all who believe Him.
Yes, the house of Jacob (Israel) is the elect of God.