The Five B's of Bible Baptism Article

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UnitedWithChrist

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Do you acknowledge what the scripture says?: Ananias told Paul how to wash away his sins. "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Also, the following Hebrews scripture indicates that salvation is available to those who obey Jesus, the author of our salvation. Jesus' actions as seen in His own baptism gave mankind an example to follow.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:8

The following addresses what a Christian's foundation is to consist of, and indicates it is required one time; faith toward God in repentance, baptisms, laying on of hands (receiving Holy Ghost), resurrection and eternal judgment. Pursuit of a life dedicated to our Lord should continue after the foundation is set.

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Firstly, Hebrews 6:1-2 is describing Judaism, which provide types that were equivalent to the ABCs that a child uses to begin to form words.

The word "baptisms" is actually talking about washings under Judaism, not water baptism.

Secondly, I believe baptism is a command that should be honored. However it doesn't convey grace like you are suggesting. This view is called baptismal regeneration, and it is a heresy.

Thirdly, I believe in obedience to all commandments that are relevant to the believer.

By the way, does your group (whatever it is) observe laying on of hands? One interesting dilemma that Campbellites have is that they don't lay hands on believers after baptism, because they don't believe that there are any apostles today that can do this. However, they are sticklers about the water baptism thing.

Here's some notes from MacArthur's study bible on Heb 6:1-2:


Hebrews 6:1-2 Heb. 6:1 leave. This “leave” does not mean to despise or abandon the basic doctrines. They are the place to start, not stop. They are the gate of entrance on the road to salvation in Christ. elementary doctrine of Christ. As “the oracles of God” in 5:12 refers to the OT, so does this phrase. The writer is referring to basic OT teaching that prepared the way for Messiah—the beginning teaching about Christ. This OT “doctrine” includes the six features listed in 6:1–2. go on to maturity. Salvation by faith in Messiah Jesus. See note on 5:14. The verb is passive, so as to indicate “let us be carried to salvation.” That is not a matter of learners being carried by teachers, but both being carried forward by God. The writer warns his Jewish readers that there is no value in stopping with the OT basics and repeating (“laying again”) what was only intended to be foundational. repentance from dead works. This OT form of repentance is the turning away from evil deeds that bring death (cf. Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 6:23) and turning to God. Too often the Jew only turned to God in a superficial fashion—fulfilling the letter of the law as evidence of his repentance. The inner man was still dead (Matt. 23:25–28; Rom. 2:28–29). Such repentance was not the kind that brought salvation (Heb. 6:6 12:17; cf. Acts 11:18; 2 Cor. 7:10). Under the New Covenant, however, “repentance toward God” is coupled with “faith in our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21). Christ’s atoning sacrifice saves from “dead works” (Heb. 9:14; cf. John 14:6). faith toward God. Faith directed only toward the Father is unacceptable without faith in his Son, Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12; cf. James 2:14–20).
Heb. 6:2 washings. In the OT Levitical system, there were many ceremonial cleansings, which were outward signs of heart cleansing (cf. Ex. 30:18–21; Lev. 16:4 24 26 28; Mark 7:4 8). The New Covenant called for an inner washing (Titus 3:5) that regenerated the soul. laying on of hands. Under the Old Covenant, the person who brought a sacrifice placed his hands on it to symbolize his identification with it as a substitute sacrifice for sin (Lev. 1:4 3:8 13 16:21). There could also be a reference here to solemn priestly blessings (cf. Matt. 19:13). resurrection . . . and eternal judgment. The Pharisees believed in the resurrection from the dead (Acts 23:8) but were still spiritually dead (Matt. 23:27). They also believed in the judgment of God and were headed for it. It is significant that all of the doctrines listed in Heb. 6:1–2 can be associated with the Pharisees, who were attracted to and sometimes associated with Jesus (Luke 7:36–50 13:31 14:1; John 3:1). Paul was a Pharisee before his conversion (Phil. 3:5). The Pharisees were products of the pursuit of righteousness by works of the law rather than by faith (Rom. 9:30–32 10:1–3). A portion of the Hebrews to whom this epistle was written may have been Pharisees.
(MacArthur Study Notes (ESV))
 

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Firstly, Hebrews 6:1-2 is describing Judaism, which provide types that were equivalent to the ABCs that a child uses to begin to form words.

The word "baptisms" is actually talking about washings under Judaism, not water baptism.

Secondly, I believe baptism is a command that should be honored. However it doesn't convey grace like you are suggesting. This view is called baptismal regeneration, and it is a heresy.

Thirdly, I believe in obedience to all commandments that are relevant to the believer.
Again you neglect to address the question concerning Acts 22. Do you acknowledge what the scripture says?
"Ananias told Paul how to wash away his sins. "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

I do understand that Hebrews makes points concerning the relation between the Old and New Testaments concepts. Jesus as the High Priest is the author of eternal salvation. Jesus ties the OT and the NT together.

The following scripture makes it clear that eternal salvation is secured through one's obedience to Jesus.
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:8

Chapter 6, goes on to point out the required obedience to the doctrine of Christ that clearly parallels the instruction given in Acts 2:38. After that foundation is laid through obedience one is instructed to not attempt of lay it again but to leave those principles behind and pursue a lifestyle acceptable to God.

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
 

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Think on exaactly what Judaism is. I do not b elieve Judaism existed in the Word of God ever. It came into being with rabbinical teaching and became an umbrella name for many sects of people who think they are the true Jews of God. Reading Paull we find the definition of what true Jew is………..I have shared the same many times but it has fallen on deaf ears. Wonder upon the varied sects (denominations) under the umbrell of Judaism.
 

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Regarding Acts 22:16:


Acts 22:16 22:16 be baptized and wash your sins away. The water itself does not spiritually cleanse people of their sins; it outwardly symbolizes the Holy Spirit’s inward cleansing. See notes on 2:38; Rom 6:4; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21.
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)

Acts 22:16 Acts 22:16 wash away your sins. Grammatically the phrase “calling on his name” precedes “Rise and be baptized.” Salvation comes from calling on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:9–10 13), not from being baptized (see note on Acts 2:38).
(MacArthur Study Notes (ESV))

Acts 22:16 22:16 Be baptized and wash away your sins does not imply that the physical act of baptism itself cleanses people spiritually from sin, for Ananias gives Paul two distinct commands. Thus baptism should be viewed as an outward symbol of the cleansing from sin that occurs when someone trusts in Jesus (cf. 1 Pet. 3:21). Belief leads to cleansing, but baptism pictures this. Because baptism pictures the reality, the two are often discussed as if they belong to the same act. As Heb. 10:19–22 shows, the believer's sins are “washed away” through faith in “the blood of Jesus,” with the result that the believer is “sprinkled clean” and “washed with pure water.”
(ESV SB Notes)

If I dunk a Muslim in water, does that mean he will be regenerated?

Do you know what regeneration means, by the way? Do you believe in baptismal regeneration?
 

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Regarding Acts 22:16:


Acts 22:16 22:16 be baptized and wash your sins away. The water itself does not spiritually cleanse people of their sins; it outwardly symbolizes the Holy Spirit’s inward cleansing. See notes on 2:38; Rom 6:4; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21.
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)

Acts 22:16 Acts 22:16 wash away your sins. Grammatically the phrase “calling on his name” precedes “Rise and be baptized.” Salvation comes from calling on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:9–10 13), not from being baptized (see note on Acts 2:38).
(MacArthur Study Notes (ESV))

Acts 22:16 22:16 Be baptized and wash away your sins does not imply that the physical act of baptism itself cleanses people spiritually from sin, for Ananias gives Paul two distinct commands. Thus baptism should be viewed as an outward symbol of the cleansing from sin that occurs when someone trusts in Jesus (cf. 1 Pet. 3:21). Belief leads to cleansing, but baptism pictures this. Because baptism pictures the reality, the two are often discussed as if they belong to the same act. As Heb. 10:19–22 shows, the believer's sins are “washed away” through faith in “the blood of Jesus,” with the result that the believer is “sprinkled clean” and “washed with pure water.”
(ESV SB Notes)

If I dunk a Muslim in water, does that mean he will be regenerated?

Do you know what regeneration means, by the way? Do you believe in baptismal regeneration?
It is not about the water itself, it is about obedience to the command. Submitting to water baptism in Jesus' name is one of the commands given at Pentecost. Repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name, and receiving the Holy Ghost were commanded of the Jews, as well as the Gentiles and Samaritans. Considering the fact that all of humanity comes from one of those groups indicates all are required to be obedient to the commands as clearly seen in the Word. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48 and 19:2-6)

Both Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 indicate sins are forgiven upon obedience to that specific command.

As you will recall Jesus is the author of salvation to those who obey Him. (Heb 5)
 

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It is not about the water itself, it is about obedience to the command. Submitting to water baptism in Jesus' name is one of the commands given at Pentecost. Repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name, and receiving the Holy Ghost were commanded of the Jews, as well as the Gentiles and Samaritans. Considering the fact that all of humanity comes from one of those groups indicates all are required to be obedient to the commands as clearly seen in the Word. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48 and 19:2-6)

Both Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 indicate sins are forgiven upon obedience to that specific command.

As you will recall Jesus is the author of salvation to those who obey Him. (Heb 5)
If you're saying that water baptism is a command, I agree.

If you are saying water baptism occurs PRIOR TO SALVATION, I disagree.

That is called baptismal regeneration and is a false doctrine.
 
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Wansvic said:
It is not about the water itself, it is about obedience to the command. Submitting to water baptism in Jesus' name is one of the commands given at Pentecost. Repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name, and receiving the Holy Ghost were commanded of the Jews, as well as the Gentiles and Samaritans. Considering the fact that all of humanity comes from one of those groups indicates all are required to be obedient to the commands as clearly seen in the Word. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48 and 19:2-6)
Water baptism is not a commandment as a moral law but a personal desire to become a member of the priesthood of believers as a old testament ceremonial law as a shadow (non effective)

Like the sabbath. Not something we can judge one another with as if it was a moral law.

Baptize in the name is in the authority of the unseen God . It is a work he performs in us to both will and do His good pleasure .We have the treasure of His power in us but would never think it had to do with H20. Reducing God to a rudiment of this world, that at the end of the day evaporates is not a biblical idea..
 

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Thought this article explained water baptism very well. Hope you enjoy!

"There is much confusion about baptism. Many do not believe a person must be baptized to be saved from his sins. Others say baptism is necessary for salvation. Some say sprinkling or pouring are acceptable forms of baptism. Others say only immersion in water is acceptable. There is only one way to settle the confusion about baptism. We must go to the New Testament, which is the law for all men today. What does the Bible tell us about baptism?

The five "B's" of Bible baptism.

1st B - Baptism is a BURIAL. Notice the Apostle Paul's statement in (Romans 6:3,4). "Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Paul states clearly that baptism is a burial. To bury something is to cover it completely. Sprinkling or pouring will not substitute for the burial which baptism demands. In fact, the word "baptism" itself means “to immerse, dip, plunge." Bible baptism is a burial.

2nd B - Baptism is for BELIEVERS. Bible baptism is for those who can show they believe in Jesus, the Son of God. In (Mark 16:16), Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." Nowhere in the New Testament will one find a person baptized who was not able to express his belief in Christ. In (Acts 8:12) we read, "But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized." Notice that "both men and women” were baptized, not little children. Why? Because baptism is for believers, not babies. Babies are born innocent. They are not guilty of the sins of their parents, as some teach (Ezekiel 18:20). Jesus used little children as examples of humility, and said we must become like them to enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:1-5). Would Jesus use sinful children as examples of what we must become to be pleasing to God? Certainly not!

3rd B - Baptism comes BEFORE forgiveness of sins. Jesus made this clear in His statement, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved: but he who does not believe will be condemned." Jesus said belief AND baptism bring salvation. He did not say belief brings salvation, and then one is baptized. One cannot be saved without baptism. In (Acts 22:16), Saul of Tarsus, a man who believed in Christ, repented, and confessed Jesus as Lord, still had to be baptized to wash away his sins. There is not a single instance in the New Testament where anyone was said to be saved until he was baptized. Baptism comes BEFORE forgiveness.

4th B - Baptism is the BIRTH of the Christian. It is the beginning of the Christian's life. In (John 3:5), Jesus told a man named Nicodemus, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." To be born of water and the Spirit involves being baptized in water in obedience to the teaching of the Holy Spirit. How does the Spirit teach us? He does so through the Word of God. In the New Testament we learn of the importance of being baptized in water. So it is the Spirit who teaches us to be baptized as we read His Word. This is what the apostle Paul meant in (1 Corinthians 12:13). "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit." Paul says all must be baptized into the body of Christ, which is the church (Ephesians 1:22,23). It is by the teaching of the Spirit through the Word that we learn of our need to do this. Then, we must "drink into one Spirit," which means we are to continue to study the Word which the Holy Spirit has given--the New Testament. We must grow in our knowledge of God's Word, and we must remain faithful in the one church (Revelation 2:10).

5th B - The final “B” is that Bible baptism is where the BLOOD of Christ is applied to cleanse us from our sins. Can a person be saved from his sins without the blood of Christ? No! But only in baptism is the blood applied from Heaven to take away our sins. The blood of Jesus was shed in His death. The soldier pierced the side of the slain Saviour of the world, and "immediately blood and water came out" (John 19:34). Then, in (Romans 6:3-4), Paul speaks of being buried in the "likeness" of Christ's death through baptism. The blood that was shed in Christ's death is reached only in the likeness of His death--baptism. In (Revelation 1:4-5), John says Jesus washed us from our sins in His blood. When does that washing take place? It is the washing of baptism. Remember the blood of Jesus is applied to wash away our sins.

We should never forget the five “B’s” of baptism. They remind us of what the Bible teaches about this very important subject. The Bible says baptism is a BURIAL. It is for BELIEVERS, those who can express their belief in Christ. It comes BEFORE forgiveness of sins. It is the BIRTH of the Christian, and it is where the precious BLOOD of Jesus is applied to wash away our sins."

From the International Bible Teaching Ministries website, a non-profit mission of the churches of Christ teaching the good news around the world. We understand that the Bible is complete. God said many times that adding to or subtracting from His Word is sinful (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18-19). Therefore, we only teach the Bible. We do not use man-made doctrines.
To "B" or NOT to "B", that is the question?

You're confused about your "B's" sir!
 

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If you're saying that water baptism is a command, I agree.

If you are saying water baptism occurs PRIOR TO SALVATION, I disagree.

That is called baptismal regeneration and is a false doctrine.
I quoted what scripture conveys on the subject:

Both Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 indicate sins are forgiven upon obedience to that specific command.
 

Wansvic

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To "B" or NOT to "B", that is the question?

You're confused about your "B's" sir!
With which of the B's biblical description(s) do you disagree?
 

JaumeJ

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A good reason to be water baptized; it is following the Example of our Lord.
 
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2 Sam 14:14
For surely we will die and be like water poured out on the ground, which cannot be recovered. Yet God does not take away a life; but He devises ways that the banished one may not be cast out from Him.
 

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Regarding Acts 22:16:


Acts 22:16 22:16 be baptized and wash your sins away. The water itself does not spiritually cleanse people of their sins; it outwardly symbolizes the Holy Spirit’s inward cleansing. See notes on 2:38; Rom 6:4; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21.
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)
The infilling of the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from water baptism. Some people receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism, some afterward. (Acts 8:12-17, 10:44-48)

Acts 22:16 Acts 22:16 wash away your sins. Grammatically the phrase “calling on his name” precedes “Rise and be baptized.” Salvation comes from calling on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:9–10 13), not from being baptized (see note on Acts 2:38).
(MacArthur Study Notes (ESV))
Every believer is to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus as evidenced by scripture. Upon study one will see that all water baptisms were administered that way. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:2-6)

Acts 22:16 22:16 Be baptized and wash away your sins does not imply that the physical act of baptism itself cleanses people spiritually from sin, for Ananias gives Paul two distinct commands. Thus baptism should be viewed as an outward symbol of the cleansing from sin that occurs when someone trusts in Jesus (cf. 1 Pet. 3:21). Belief leads to cleansing, but baptism pictures this. Because baptism pictures the reality, the two are often discussed as if they belong to the same act. As Heb. 10:19–22 shows, the believer's sins are “washed away” through faith in “the blood of Jesus,” with the result that the believer is “sprinkled clean” and “washed with pure water.”
(ESV SB Notes)
You're missing the point that God designed and commanded obedience to water baptism. The believer's sins are washed away through their obedience to the command in faith upon hearing the message concerning the blood of Jesus.

The gospel of Christ is seen in His death, burial and resurrection and provides salvation to every one that believes. Believes what? Verse 17 expresses that the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. One step of faith leads to another, and another. This is seen in Peter's instructions; believe in Jesus as our Messiah, believe in the need to repent, believe in the need to get water baptized in Jesus' name, believe and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

If I dunk a Muslim in water, does that mean he will be regenerated?

Do you know what regeneration means, by the way? Do you believe in baptismal regeneration?
Baptizing a person who does not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ and His sacrificial work, and lacks a commitment to serve Him accomplishes nothing but the person getting wet.
God established the need for believers to accept water baptism. To reject the need is to reject the very counsel of God. (Luke 7:30)

Lastly, notice Peter's final words after commanding those present of their need to get water baptized and just prior to their obedience to the command:

"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:40-41
 

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Regarding Acts 22:16:


Acts 22:16 22:16 be baptized and wash your sins away. The water itself does not spiritually cleanse people of their sins; it outwardly symbolizes the Holy Spirit’s inward cleansing. See notes on 2:38; Rom 6:4; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21.
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)
Every scripture you note makes it clear that obedience is required and what that obedience accomplishes:
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This scripture clearly states that baptism now saves us.
Peter goes on to explain that getting baptized has nothing to do with washing off body filth. It is about being obedient to God's established means for removal of personal sins made available through the resurrection of Jesus. God designed natural things such as water baptism and repentance that set into motion spiritual concepts.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The instructions given to submit to water baptism and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost are reflected in the Titus scripture above.

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Through immersion under the baptismal waters one is being buried with Jesus. A spiritual death occurs. One is born anew spiritually upon breaking forth from the water; a picture of the God designed natural birth. Each new creature in Christ is expected to walk in newness of life leaving behind the old lifestyle and living for Jesus.
 

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I quoted what scripture conveys on the subject:

Both Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 indicate sins are forgiven upon obedience to that specific command.
How about Acts 10?

Cornelius and his family received the Spirit and were speaking in tongues prior to water baptism.

Additionally Eph 1:13 says that the Holy Spirit is received upon belief.

I have heard some Oneness Pentecostals (who are heretics) claim that speaking in tongues is the sign of salvation. If so, then Cornelius' family was saved prior to water baptism.

How do you account for this?
 

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Every scripture you note makes it clear that obedience is required and what that obedience accomplishes:
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This scripture clearly states that baptism now saves us.
Peter goes on to explain that getting baptized has nothing to do with washing off body filth. It is about being obedient to God's established means for removal of personal sins made available through the resurrection of Jesus. God designed natural things such as water baptism and repentance that set into motion spiritual concepts.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The instructions given to submit to water baptism and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost are reflected in the Titus scripture above.

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Through immersion under the baptismal waters one is being buried with Jesus. A spiritual death occurs. One is born anew spiritually upon breaking forth from the water; a picture of the God designed natural birth. Each new creature in Christ is expected to walk in newness of life leaving behind the old lifestyle and living for Jesus.
Would you agree that those who reject the Trinity are heretics?
 

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No one believes our Savior and Lord, Jesus, Yeshua, had dany need to wash Himself of sin for He did not sin...……...
Yet He, as the Servant of the Father, and as the Lamb of God, was baptized in order to fulfill all righteousness.

This is why I was baptized long after I had received the Holy Spirit. It was the right thing (for me) to do. What about you?
 

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How about Acts 10?

Cornelius and his family received the Spirit and were speaking in tongues prior to water baptism.

Additionally Eph 1:13 says that the Holy Spirit is received upon belief.

I have heard some Oneness Pentecostals (who are heretics) claim that speaking in tongues is the sign of salvation. If so, then Cornelius' family was saved prior to water baptism.

How do you account for this?
Peter's instruction was that obedience to all three components was required when asked what those present must do after hearing the message of Jesus the Messiah.

The sequence is not essential as seen in the Word. The Jews present at Pentecost did all three on the same day. (Acts 2:38-41) The Samaritans (half Jewish & half Gentile) heard the message and submitted to water baptism in Jesus' name on one day. And later Peter and John were sent so they would receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-17) Cornelius and those with him received the Holy Ghost first and were commanded to be water baptized in Jesus' name as well. (Acts 10:44-48)

According to Paul's words in Acts 19, believing does not in and of itself impart the Holy Ghost/Spirit. The first thing said as Paul approached the Ephesian disciples was "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?" That question points to the fact that Paul knew that believing and receiving the Holy Ghost took place separately. This comment was seen in the record of the Samaritans as stated above.

Finally, Ephesians 1:13 states that in trusting Jesus after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation and believing what was heard they were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. The promise referred to points directly to what Peter stated at Pentecost. He said to be obedient and do what he instructed and went on to say for this promise is unto you.....even as many as the Lord our God shall call. God is still calling mankind.

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39
 

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Would you agree that those who reject the Trinity are heretics?
The Word of God will be the judge for Jesus said:

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48
 

Wansvic

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Matthew chapter 21 is another scripture that speaks truth about water baptism.

Jesus questions religious leaders about where the baptism of John came from. After their refusal to admit baptism's origins, Jesus speaks a parable and afterward says publicans and harlots will enter the kingdom of God before the religious leaders. Why? Jesus answered. John came to you IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND YOU DID NOT BELIEVE HIM. Clearly getting water baptized is doing the will of the Father and the consequences for not obeying are dire.

"The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain DID THE WILL OF HIS FATHER? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you." Matt 21:25-31

WHY?

"FOR John came unto you IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and YE BELIEVED HIM NOT: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." Matt 21:32

The following scripture expresses the importance of doing the will of the Father:

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.