Creation and the Gap theory (pre adamic race)

That there was a creation before Adam and Eve is without question. Anyone who would deny this will have to go back and bury all the dinosaur bones that have been dug up. Hide the truth. However this creation that existed in its time had nothing to do with the Ademic (if that is a word) creation.

It is important to always remember that creation as far as it pertains to us is confined to a seven thousand year existence on earth.

Oh un heaven

I personally have near zero faith in carbon dating.

An "age". Was, is, and is to come. Noahs flood was in this "age" The "age" that PERISHED is the WAS "age".

What I find weird is that no one has a problem with this age ending and the new one starting but the thought of "one before this" is just "too much".


Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Cast down to earth. ****when an age is ended instead of an entire creation, (WHICH GOD SO EASILY COULD HAVE DONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO CAUSE HERE WE ARE), you have been working on, the souls all must go some where. I believe that this is why there was one heaven and one earth and then there were heavens and earth because of this period between then and when we are put into the flesh*****
Have you ever lost someone so dear that your heart seems to make a noise? You can't breath, while you are breathing, there is no where to go, the world has stopped and you can't start it, you want to go back and if you could you would? What would it take to stop your self from doing that very thing if you ACTUALLY could? How hard it must be......down to your very soul
Satan was Gods "highest, best made, closest". And when that kind of pain lets lose, well, nothing makes it through. Here is how God describes it

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
SUDDENLY, for those who took notes on their "Noahs Flood" we can add this to our growing list of differences sound of trumpet, alarm of war, destruction upon destruction.
Gods decision made. *****dinosaurs died and I think continents separated******
Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
FOR MY PEOPLE IS FOOLISH, THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN ME, THEY ARE SOTTISH CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE NONE UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
Does God know us? Foolish and stupid. Nothing in the Word of God can be more comforting. When you put that with "The Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than a twoedged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and spirit the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. You can fool some of the people some of the time YOU CAN FOOL GOD NEVER. Just remember this, there was a society there which most likely set your life beginnings here (God is just, not random) and your life here, will set your life there. Just because the gift of salvation is a Gift from God, doesn't mean that the righteous acts of the saints wont follow you because they will and it is all you can take with you, and the wedding garment is ....I digress

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
We know from Isaiah 45:18? that He did not create the earth that way. God, 3 verses ago is telling us of DESTRUCTION upon DESTRUCTION, and now He beholds the earth and it is without form and void, and we know in the beginning of this age, the age we will be cast to earth, the earth was........

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
*******I think this is the calming down of Gods anger, obviously been thinking about it a lot*********
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
The earth is null and void, all the sons are in heaven like before the earth created. There are no animals, no birds, a wilderness, desolate, and in mourning, the heavens BLACK, no sun light, no light at all. Basically dead.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
But what was it? It was a fruitful place, cities, Remember "my tents" spoiled, my curtains, in a moment, you know Gods tents here on earth, the place He calls His. He destroyed it all.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
How do you kill all that you have loved? You find a new way. You give everyone another chance. A chance of their very own. Some will not even need but to be conceived for a moment, they and their hearts, there is no question, they do not need to live in this flesh, they do not need to be tested at all. If you ponder this for a while, much about this life will become very clear. All the whys and why me ,s. Remember God is Just. And we have free will. And the only lives He gets involved in are the elects because they already proved themselves in the first age and God will move them about as He sees fit. Remember the tower of siloam? Were they any bigger sinners? No, earth life happens, freewill must be freewill. But God is Just. He will recompense. I digress alot
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Black, ask anyone what happens when the earths temp changes one degree. THE HEAVENS BLACK. Not Noahs flood.


I BEHELD the earth, and lo, it was without form and void. Remember the 3 and 4 verses before. This is not random. There is NO MAN, no bird, no boat. EVERY THING has been in the path of the LORDS anger. The whole land is desolate, this age has come to an end yet not a full end. The earth will mourn, the heavens will be black.

I think it depends on how we see glory . Glory, Glory, Glory . It would seem to have been lost in the garden.I think was when his presence came into view. . it set the background. God is light and not alone that he can create it. .

Notice he never calls night or darkness good. His signature of approval. It is a symbol of evil. . no blessing from God

Genesis 1:1-4 King James Version (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

It would seem at the end of day 3 it could be reconcked as to when God saw pride in the heart of the most powerful messenger who turned out to be the messenger of lies as the father of lies.

Day four beginning with God transferring the light in respect to His glory and then after the corrupted temporal time keepers . . (Sun and the moon) two witnesses. It served the purpose. God knowing beforehand that men (paganism) would attribute the source of life to the Sun. .

Night God would simply hide his glory

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Revelation 21:22-26

What if I had ben born in the time of Noah. What if I had been born in the time of Elijah or Elisha what if I had been born in the time of David or the time of Danial or Ezekiel or maybe Solomon. What if, what if, what if.

The fact is I am here and I am now. Will my testimony be enough to secure my place among these chosen of God?

This is another case of taking this out of the context.... a vision of coming destruction to the land (jerusalem)

I don't think it is a theory at all, just plain and simple facts. So, if you would, my first question comes from:


(If we are not the sons of God then who were they??)

and what did He do with them??

and why is He asking these things of Job?)

I didn't get very far in the video before I turned it off. We had a thread about Gen 1 vs Gen 2 already. I believe that from before the beginning God was. Till after the very end. God will still be. That there is no other that could have or ever did or could have created such a splendid and magnificent universe and that it certainly was not an accident or fluke.

In genesis #1 God created just as it says he did. The only thing I have any doubts about is the time it took but Gen1 was written so we descendants of Adam & Eve and Noah could understand it. God is not subservient to time like everything and everybody else. He surely created Mankind, Men and Women in Gen 1. Then her rested. How long? Nobody knows in human terms.

Later he decided to create a newer and better man (I realize that his is conjecture) so he created Adam then a garden to put him into and take care of but something was still missing so; He, God, Created Eve to help and be Adams mate in Genesis 2. He did not uncreate the earlier creations. Thats why the bread basket of humanity is considered to be Mesopotamia. That's why the earliest known cultivation is believed to have started there. The pre adamic human races perished in the flood that he, God, caused when he repented making man kind. Only the family of Noah were saved. He promised never to do it again by flood.

At the end of the tribulation I think he will clean up the world using fire. We'll have to wait and see. That's my two cents worth.

O tis Day and the Knights....



When on a world tour from what I hear....



Is he asking Job, or does he transition to the one he says has darken counsel with words without knowledge.

If you recall, Job had appointment with three friends

Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him. Job 2:11

However, it was Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram, who had rebuked Job, to the point that he claimed that Job had spoken against the LORD. So what happened to Elihu, why did Job answer instead of Elihu. Could it be that Elihu was translated, he walked with God and was not, so God took him.

4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Job 40

But none the less Job answered when then answered the LORD unto Job:

6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:6-7

I would think you would post scripture, or ask for more scripture from me before teaching such a lesson. We are responsible for what we teach and we will be held to a higher standard. I am confident in my hours of study and prayer and revelations from the Word. Are you?

Definitely...
I am not direct in asking you. So here it goes..
1. Is the beginning in gen 1 included in the first day?
2. If not how long did the pre adamite lives?
Two for now..

The gap theory and the pre Adamic race are two different things. The gap is about the "was" age and the pre Adamic peoples are in "this/is" age.

Yes! I am a C, though not a Calvinist.

A CHRISTIAN!

Oh.. and forgot to paste the Exodus verse:
Exodus 20:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God created the heaven and the earth before verse 3 occurs.

Light was created after the heaven and the earth was created.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water NASB lexicon

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished PERISHED

through which the world at that time was destroyed 622 being flooded with water.
622 apollumi to destroy, destroy utterly
from 575 apo-away from which in magnifying ollymi-to destroy
cutting off entirely, absolute destruction, cancel out RUIN and destruction


EITHER IT IS, OR IT ISN'T. EITHER IT PERISHED AS IN "NO MORE LIFE"

R IT DIDN'T AND GOD USED THE WRONG WORD. OR IT ISN'T FITTING SOMEONES PRECONCEIVED IDEAS AND SO THE BIBLE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN FOR THEM.


2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Does anyone have any problems with "God is going to RE NEW this earth with fire"?

GENESIS 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth was (Hayah) formless (tohu) and void (va vo hu) emptiness and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God (Elohim) was moving over the surface of the waters.


1961 Hayah to fall out, come to pass, become
8414 tohu formless
922 bohu emptiness

God did not create the heavens and the earth formless and void. How am I so sure? HE TOLD US in Isaiah 45

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
For thus says the LORD (YHVH) who created the heavens He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place (tohu) but formed it to be inhabited, "I am the LORD and there is none else"

An "age". Was, is, and is to come. Noahs flood was in this "age" The "age" that PERISHED is the WAS "age".

What I find weird is that no one has a problem with this age ending and the new one starting but the thought of "one before this" is just "too much".


Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Cast down to earth. ****when an age is ended instead of an entire creation, (WHICH GOD SO EASILY COULD HAVE DONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO CAUSE HERE WE ARE), you have been working on, the souls all must go some where. I believe that this is why there was one heaven and one earth and then there were heavens and earth because of this period between then and when we are put into the flesh*****
Have you ever lost someone so dear that your heart seems to make a noise? You can't breath, while you are breathing, there is no where to go, the world has stopped and you can't start it, you want to go back and if you could you would? What would it take to stop your self from doing that very thing if you ACTUALLY could? How hard it must be......down to your very soul
Satan was Gods "highest, best made, closest". And when that kind of pain lets lose, well, nothing makes it through. Here is how God describes it

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
SUDDENLY, for those who took notes on their "Noahs Flood" we can add this to our growing list of differences sound of trumpet, alarm of war, destruction upon destruction.
Gods decision made. *****dinosaurs died and I think continents separated******
Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
FOR MY PEOPLE IS FOOLISH, THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN ME, THEY ARE SOTTISH CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE NONE UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
Does God know us? Foolish and stupid. Nothing in the Word of God can be more comforting. When you put that with "The Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than a twoedged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and spirit the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. You can fool some of the people some of the time YOU CAN FOOL GOD NEVER. Just remember this, there was a society there which most likely set your life beginnings here (God is just, not random) and your life here, will set your life there. Just because the gift of salvation is a Gift from God, doesn't mean that the righteous acts of the saints wont follow you because they will and it is all you can take with you, and the wedding garment is ....I digress

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
We know from Isaiah 45:18? that He did not create the earth that way. God, 3 verses ago is telling us of DESTRUCTION upon DESTRUCTION, and now He beholds the earth and it is without form and void, and we know in the beginning of this age, the age we will be cast to earth, the earth was........

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
*******I think this is the calming down of Gods anger, obviously been thinking about it a lot*********
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
The earth is null and void, all the sons are in heaven like before the earth created. There are no animals, no birds, a wilderness, desolate, and in mourning, the heavens BLACK, no sun light, no light at all. Basically dead.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
But what was it? It was a fruitful place, cities, Remember "my tents" spoiled, my curtains, in a moment, you know Gods tents here on earth, the place He calls His. He destroyed it all.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
How do you kill all that you have loved? You find a new way. You give everyone another chance. A chance of their very own. Some will not even need but to be conceived for a moment, they and their hearts, there is no question, they do not need to live in this flesh, they do not need to be tested at all. If you ponder this for a while, much about this life will become very clear. All the whys and why me ,s. Remember God is Just. And we have free will. And the only lives He gets involved in are the elects because they already proved themselves in the first age and God will move them about as He sees fit. Remember the tower of siloam? Were they any bigger sinners? No, earth life happens, freewill must be freewill. But God is Just. He will recompense. I digress alot
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Black, ask anyone what happens when the earths temp changes one degree. THE HEAVENS BLACK. Not Noahs flood.


I BEHELD the earth, and lo, it was without form and void. Remember the 3 and 4 verses before. This is not random. There is NO MAN, no bird, no boat. EVERY THING has been in the path of the LORDS anger. The whole land is desolate, this age has come to an end yet not a full end. The earth will mourn, the heavens will be black.

I don't know what people do with 'and the earth was without form and void.....

that does not sound like something God would call 'good'

for me, the first time I started to read the Bible...as a child believe it or not...I always thought there was something 'else'

The water was without form and void..