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VCO

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Why do you believe obedience to Jesus is a false religion?

MOTIVE!

IF YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO OBEY HIM, OR YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION, TO BE IN PERSEVERANCE;
YOU ARE WRONG, BECAUSE OF THE MOTIVE, AND WRONG MOTIVES ARE WOOD, HAY, AND STUBBLE, THAT WILL BE BURNED UP.


THE ONLY PURE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE, IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SHOW LOVE FOR HIM. LOVE IS THE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
 

blue_ladybug

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Ya know what? You only "persevere" to the very end IF you don't commit suicide. The way I see it, we have to live our life up to the end, when GOD calls us home.. That's MY understanding of the word persevere. :)

I'd love to die very soon, but I can't, unless I off myself or get murdered. Because I can't give up on pushing through (or persevering, as you call it), just because I'm tired of living and long for my new pain-free eternal body.
 
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MOTIVE!

IF YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO OBEY HIM, OR YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION, TO BE IN PERSEVERANCE;
YOU ARE WRONG, BECAUSE OF THE MOTIVE, AND WRONG MOTIVES ARE WOOD, HAY, AND STUBBLE, THAT WILL BE BURNED UP.


THE ONLY PURE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE, IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SHOW LOVE FOR HIM. LOVE IS THE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
My motive is love for Jesus. I don't think I will feel too bad if you don't persevere to the end; you made you choice.
 
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UnderGrace

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Ya know what? You only "persevere" to the very end IF you don't commit suicide. The way I see it, we have to live our life up to the end, when GOD calls us home.. That's MY understanding of the word persevere. :)

I'd love to die very soon, but I can't, unless I off myself or get murdered. Because I can't give up on pushing through (or persevering, as you call it), just because I'm tired of living and long for my new pain-free eternal body.
I like this point about seeing life through.

But they harp on this one word and it occurs about 13 times... and grace occurs 131 times
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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Yes, trolls are like gremlins, they multiply in number if you feed them.. lol





gremlins I know,trolls I know,but what is the meaning of the term here. Jaden has said nothing outrageous not false!
 

blue_ladybug

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You can't have final perseverance without obedience to God's grace.

No one is saying otherwise. We are supposed to be obedient to God, to the best of our mortal abilities. BUT even when we disobey, we ARE STILL SAVED, and we DO STILL LOVE Jesus.. :)
 

blue_ladybug

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Disobedience is not final perseverance.
Correct. :) "Final perseverance" is pushing through with life the best we can, especially in difficult times, and having God reward us for it by saying "well done, thy good and faithful servant".