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blue_ladybug

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If you persevere until the end, you are saved. Do you know what happens to a person who dies and they are not saved?

[6] For whom the Lord loveth, he chastiseth; and he scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [7] Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct? [8] But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. [9] Moreover we have had fathers of our flesh, for instructors, and we reverenced them: shall we not much more obey the Father of spirits, and live? [10] And they indeed for a few days, according to their own pleasure, instructed us: but he, for our profit, that we might receive his sanctification.

NOWHERE in those verses does it say that people go to hell if they don't persevere.. Only GOD knows what happens to a person if they die unsaved.
 

posthuman

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess sounds rather COMPELLING to me......!
Lot & his wife and two of his daughters were grabbed by the hand by angels and forcibly removed from Sodom when they hesitated!
God didn't allow his wife to return to the city, but preserved her where she stood in the place where she had been taken outside of it!
sounds compelling to me too!

and Adam - taken from outside where he was created and placed in the garden to tend it. guess his application for the job was accepted? :D
 
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NOWHERE in those verses does it say that people go to hell if they don't persevere.. Only GOD knows what happens to a person if they die unsaved.
Do you really not know where someone goes, when they die, if they are unsaved?
 

posthuman

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Then Amaziah said to Amos, “Get out, you seer! Go back to the land of Judah. Earn your bread there and do your prophesying there. Don’t prophesy anymore at Bethel, because this is the king’s sanctuary and the temple of the kingdom.”
Amos answered Amaziah, “I was neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I was a shepherd, and I also took care of sycamore-fig trees. But the Lord took me from tending the flock and said to me, ‘Go, prophesy to my people Israel.’ Now then, hear the word of the Lord!
(Amos 7:12-16)

could you tell me more about the completely free, uncompelled choice Amos had, that is being described here?
i'm having trouble seeing it :unsure:
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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Lot & his wife and two of his daughters were grabbed by the hand by angels and forcibly removed from Sodom when they hesitated!
God didn't allow his wife to return to the city, but preserved her where she stood in the place where she had been taken outside of it!
sounds compelling to me too!


and Adam - taken from outside where he was created and placed in the garden to tend it. guess his application for the job was accepted? :D





Having fun????? At least you're in the word,even if it's for the " WRONG" reasons!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
 
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the :D that i put in this post you quoted is there to denote my rejoicing at seeing the type of the salvation of God through Jesus Christ in these things.

i find it compelling :)



I do not know how to cut and paste " to mangle" another's post but hey knock yourself out!😂😂😂😂😂😂
 

posthuman

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I'm done with you.....!
you never even started . . ?
i asked about a lot of scripture, but you haven't addressed even one, nor reminded me of a single one to consider, yourself?

weird.
probably never had anyone challenge an inspirational meme before *shrug*
 
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you never even started . . ?
i asked about a lot of scripture, but you haven't addressed even one, nor reminded me of a single one to consider, yourself?

weird.
probably never had anyone challenge an inspirational meme before *shrug*






🙅🃏🎶same song ,second verse!
 

Lightskin

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I truly hope you never find out that a person can backslide. Sounds to me like you have way tooooo much man made indoctrination!Israel was continually being found it God in a backslidden state! try studying the word of God for yourself!
That was before the Cross. We now live in the age of grace.
 

posthuman

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God,Jesus,the Holy Spirit NEVER force their ways onto nor into people!
have you ever read 1 Kings 19?

where Elijah tries to die, but The Angel of the LORD forces him to eat and live? and then the LORD compels him to go on prophesying?

i'm interested to know where you see Elijah having an uncoerced free choice in this.

thanks!
:)