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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
…9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him. 10The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.…
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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
…9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him. 10The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.…
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What did Jesus tell you?
The Book of John chapter 12
31 “This world is being judged now. The ruler of this world will be thrown out now. 32 When I have been lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people toward me.”
I feel sorry for you and your entire congregation of that primitive church you said you are member of.
You worship a deity that makes John 3:16 a lie.
The Book of John chapter 12
31 “This world is being judged now. The ruler of this world will be thrown out now. 32 When I have been lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people toward me.”
I feel sorry for you and your entire congregation of that primitive church you said you are member of.
You worship a deity that makes John 3:16 a lie.
That verse Is talking a out your conscience.No one can come to JESUS unless the Father who sent JESUS draws them meaning you can't get saved by repeating some words after the preacher,you can't get saved so as to Impress a girl at church or get saved to Impress your parents,you have to come to JESUS In TRUTH meaning really repenting on the Inside so then everyone knows ring from wrong Inwardly so then everyone has a choice other than this you would be making a case that JESUS IS a respector of people without calling on HIM In TRUTH.
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One would wonder what of all those John the Baptist did Baptize in preparation for the coming of the Christ?
People listened to John preach and then they went down in water to be cleansed, regenerated, so as to rise from death, that former sin filled self, alive and reborn in the truth of The Word.
The Baptist baptized with water for repentance, while telling the people, Gentile and Jew alike, that there would come another who would Baptize and to believe in Him. That was, Jesus the Christ.
(excerpted https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-of-John.html)
In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist mentions the purpose of his baptisms: “I baptize you with water for repentance.” Paul affirms this in Acts 19:4: “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” John’s baptism had to do with repentance—it was a symbolic representation of changing one’s mind and going a new direction. “Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River” (Matthew 3:6). Being baptized by John demonstrated a recognition of one’s sin, a desire for spiritual cleansing, and a commitment to follow God’s law in anticipation of the Messiah’s arrival.
If we go by what some teach as God preselecting the saved, what good did John do? Would he know who were those one's God predetermined to save by his own hand? Putting them into His grace, when their Total Depravity made that impossible. Making them to have faith in Him, again, when their Total Depravity made that impossible.
God's spirit calls us to the message of the truth. No one comes to God but through Jesus, who was God. And what does that tell us?
No one comes to the repentance but the Father draws them? How does He draw them?
Well, if we go with TULIP, He doesn't. He makes them. He makes them to be in His grace against their will, because they have no free will. He makes them to have faith against their will, because , as we've been told, they have no free will.
Why then would Jesus have been necessary? When God was Jesus and God does all the work in making His pre-determined saved people saved, because they are unable to do anything at all of their own accord so as to come to salvation?
Because those people don't come to faith on their own. God gives them what God designed as faith. Jesus didn't have to die so they'd have someone to believe in when they're incapable of believing of their own free will.
That's the doctrine of Reformed Theology and the TULIP formula.
However, the scriptures tell us no one can come to the anointed, Christ, unless God, who was Christ, draws them.
How does God actually do that? Through His Word. We're told we shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. (The Book of John chapter 8)
Jesus was the Truth. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus was the Word.
The Book of John chapter 1
1 In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 *He* was in the beginning with God.
3 All things received being through him, and without him not one [thing] received being which has received being.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light appears in darkness, and the darkness apprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, his name John.
7 He came for witness, that he might witness concerning the light, that all might believe through him.
8 *He* was not the light, but that he might witness concerning the light.
9 The true light was that which, coming into the world, lightens every man.
10 He was in the world, and the world had [its] being through him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came to his own, and his own received him not;
12 but as many as received him, to them gave he [the] right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name;
13 who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh's will, nor of man's will, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we have contemplated his glory, a glory as of an only-begotten with a father), full of grace and truth;
15 (John bears witness of him, and he has cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that comes after me is preferred before me, for he was before me.
16 for of his fullness we all have received, and grace upon grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses: grace and truth subsists through Jesus Christ.
People listened to John preach and then they went down in water to be cleansed, regenerated, so as to rise from death, that former sin filled self, alive and reborn in the truth of The Word.
The Baptist baptized with water for repentance, while telling the people, Gentile and Jew alike, that there would come another who would Baptize and to believe in Him. That was, Jesus the Christ.
(excerpted https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-of-John.html)
In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist mentions the purpose of his baptisms: “I baptize you with water for repentance.” Paul affirms this in Acts 19:4: “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” John’s baptism had to do with repentance—it was a symbolic representation of changing one’s mind and going a new direction. “Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River” (Matthew 3:6). Being baptized by John demonstrated a recognition of one’s sin, a desire for spiritual cleansing, and a commitment to follow God’s law in anticipation of the Messiah’s arrival.
If we go by what some teach as God preselecting the saved, what good did John do? Would he know who were those one's God predetermined to save by his own hand? Putting them into His grace, when their Total Depravity made that impossible. Making them to have faith in Him, again, when their Total Depravity made that impossible.
God's spirit calls us to the message of the truth. No one comes to God but through Jesus, who was God. And what does that tell us?
No one comes to the repentance but the Father draws them? How does He draw them?
Well, if we go with TULIP, He doesn't. He makes them. He makes them to be in His grace against their will, because they have no free will. He makes them to have faith against their will, because , as we've been told, they have no free will.
Why then would Jesus have been necessary? When God was Jesus and God does all the work in making His pre-determined saved people saved, because they are unable to do anything at all of their own accord so as to come to salvation?
Because those people don't come to faith on their own. God gives them what God designed as faith. Jesus didn't have to die so they'd have someone to believe in when they're incapable of believing of their own free will.
That's the doctrine of Reformed Theology and the TULIP formula.
However, the scriptures tell us no one can come to the anointed, Christ, unless God, who was Christ, draws them.
How does God actually do that? Through His Word. We're told we shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. (The Book of John chapter 8)
Jesus was the Truth. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus was the Word.
The Book of John chapter 1
1 In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 *He* was in the beginning with God.
3 All things received being through him, and without him not one [thing] received being which has received being.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light appears in darkness, and the darkness apprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, his name John.
7 He came for witness, that he might witness concerning the light, that all might believe through him.
8 *He* was not the light, but that he might witness concerning the light.
9 The true light was that which, coming into the world, lightens every man.
10 He was in the world, and the world had [its] being through him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came to his own, and his own received him not;
12 but as many as received him, to them gave he [the] right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name;
13 who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh's will, nor of man's will, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we have contemplated his glory, a glory as of an only-begotten with a father), full of grace and truth;
15 (John bears witness of him, and he has cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that comes after me is preferred before me, for he was before me.
16 for of his fullness we all have received, and grace upon grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses: grace and truth subsists through Jesus Christ.
Salvation is not offered to all mankind. John 6:44 - NO Man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day. Does God draw all mankind? No! because all that he draws he will raise up at the last day and I do not believe even you will agree that all mankind will live in heaven, or do you?
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Then you tell me how the natural man as described in 1 Cor 2:14 who cannot discern the things of the Spirit and thinks they are foolishness. If he can not understand spiritual things, why do you think he will come repenting of breaking a spiritual law that he can not even understand. Repentance comes after a person has been born of the Spirit and can discern the things of the Spirit. The natural man does not think he is a sinner.
Shipwrecks, starvation and crucifixions and Dismemberings, beheadings and other gross violence? Nothing in life would stop them from spreading the Gospel of Salvation. Did they waste their time and energy? Do you think you know more than them? I think you may be under the influence of confirmation bias;
Confirmation bias (noun); The tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
Why do you think the Lord gave us the great commission if all of the saved are allready saved. Who is or isn't saved is none of our business. Spread the word through testimony, deeds and example is. Don't you realize that unsaved (yet) people are reading or following this post all over the world? Now! 295 views so far and counting.
Confirmation bias (noun); The tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
Why do you think the Lord gave us the great commission if all of the saved are allready saved. Who is or isn't saved is none of our business. Spread the word through testimony, deeds and example is. Don't you realize that unsaved (yet) people are reading or following this post all over the world? Now! 295 views so far and counting.
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@ForestGreenCook I sent you 2 PM's look at the envelope icon near the top right corner if you have a P.C.
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again, Jesus says a person cannot come to Him unless the Holy Spirit draws them
however, what you state and what you believe, is that irresistable grace has given you no choice
you confuse the scritpures because you have accepted deception and do not repent of it, even when presented with the truth over and over and over
however, what you state and what you believe, is that irresistable grace has given you no choice
you confuse the scritpures because you have accepted deception and do not repent of it, even when presented with the truth over and over and over
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I don't know how people will face Jesus when they do see Him face to face and present Him with their wounding and judging others and even killing them
in the OT they killed the prophets and Calvin and those like him have taught others how to kill the gospel and turn people from actual grace of God
yours is no gospel at all
God is not a serendiptous God who sends people to hell because that is His pleasure
read the Bible. God takes no pleasure in sending people to hell
hell was created for the devil and his angels....not humans
that alone denies the gospel of Calvin
hell was not created for human beings so God could never have made human beings to go to hell
in the OT they killed the prophets and Calvin and those like him have taught others how to kill the gospel and turn people from actual grace of God
yours is no gospel at all
God is not a serendiptous God who sends people to hell because that is His pleasure
read the Bible. God takes no pleasure in sending people to hell
hell was created for the devil and his angels....not humans
that alone denies the gospel of Calvin
hell was not created for human beings so God could never have made human beings to go to hell
why would a person come to JESUS since man loves darkness?Thats a good question,Every one deep down knows there Is a GOD, creation Itself declares It.Faith comes by hearing ad IMO hearing means understanding.
can you clarify what you mean by a person has be born again before they repent?
can you clarify what you mean by a person has be born again before they repent?
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I don't find this hard to believe, That salvation is for all even though many will harden their hearts and reject salvation. That man condemns himself by rejecting the evidence that God presents him, and those who are saved are not by their will because the degenerate will only reject. but are compelled by the persuasion of Holy Spirit, surrender their rejection and unbelief.
That the will only serves to reject but that the persuasion of the Lord can over come this rejection when the will of a man is broken and he surrenders.
That some where God draws a line as to how far he will go to break a will and some men will harden themselves beyond that and God leaves them to their own devices.
That the will only serves to reject but that the persuasion of the Lord can over come this rejection when the will of a man is broken and he surrenders.
That some where God draws a line as to how far he will go to break a will and some men will harden themselves beyond that and God leaves them to their own devices.
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