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Lafftur

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Where was the Colossian church located?
(the ancient city of Colossae)

A- 100 km North of Izmir
B- 50 km South of Eskişehir
C- 30 km North of Antalya
D- 15 km East of Denizli
Interesting question, Marcelo...:unsure:

Before I go looking for the answer, is the answer to the question in the Bible? If yes, I’ll go look it up!
:love:(y)

We want our questions to bring people to the Bible instead of outside sources.
 

Marcelo

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Interesting question, Marcelo...:unsure:

Before I go looking for the answer, is the answer to the question in the Bible? If yes, I’ll go look it up! :love:(y)

We want our questions to bring people to the Bible instead of outside sources.
Oh, my bad! I didn't read the rules!

No, the Bible will not tell you that the remains of Colossae is buried some 15 km East of modern day Denizli; you have to use Google Map.
 

Lafftur

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Oh, my bad! I didn't read the rules!

No, the Bible will not tell you that the remains of Colossae is buried some 15 km East of modern day Denizli; you have to use Google Map.
No worries! :giggle: Feel free to ask another question! :love:(y)
 

Lafftur

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Here’s a question while we wait for Marcelo........

How many wells of water and how many palm trees where at Elim where the Israelites camped in the wilderness?
 

stillness

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What was the name of the forbidden fruit that Eve ate?
The forbidden fruit is comonly known today as ego, named by an unbeliever. We have knowledge of good and evil in the mind of the flesh. The garden of God being in the heart where we have fellowship with God "He that is joined to the Lord becomes one Spirit with Him." But chased out of the garden, our spirit having died to the Love of God; living for ourselves is in the mind of the flesh. The fruit of desiring control is mentioned in the bible as rebellion the sin of witchcraft and stuborness idolatry: another God or desiring to be as God. While "Love does not insist on it's own Way." The Tree of Life, the wisdom of God was also in the midst of the Garden. "Christ is made to us wisdom from God."
 

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Here’s a question while we wait for Marcelo........

How many wells of water and how many palm trees where at Elim where the Israelites camped in the wilderness?

And they set out from Marah and came to Elim; at Elim there were twelve springs of water and seventy palm trees, and they camped there.
Numbers 33:9
 

CharliRenee

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What was the name of the forbidden fruit that Eve ate?

Does the bible specifically say?
 

stillness

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Hey don't mind me, I see seone already got it right and and I won't cheat and look up Elim. What is the difference between understanding knowlege, and the wisdom of God. "Wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding." Since the wisdom of God is manifold I will give clues. The wisdom of God bears fruit: peacable gentle easy to be received, without partiality (respect of person) full of mercy and good fruit. Our umderstanding can mislead us.
Much can be said of the wisdom we receive from God. "Now we know in part but then we shall know fully even as we are known." Or if any man loves God the same is known of Him. So how do you know wether you have wisdom or understanding of the Truth. What does wisdom have the ability to do that our understanding can not do?
 

Mii

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Hey don't mind me, I see seone already got it right and and I won't cheat and look up Elim. What is the difference between understanding knowlege, and the wisdom of God. "Wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding." Since the wisdom of God is manifold I will give clues. The wisdom of God bears fruit: peacable gentle easy to be received, without partiality (respect of person) full of mercy and good fruit. Our umderstanding can mislead us.
Much can be said of the wisdom we receive from God. "Now we know in part but then we shall know fully even as we are known." Or if any man loves God the same is known of Him. So how do you know wether you have wisdom or understanding of the Truth. What does wisdom have the ability to do that our understanding can not do?
Pretty deep question :eek:

Are you looking for a clear answer because I don't think there is one.

Proverbs 7:4 is "a" place to start...that's where I started at this current juncture at least.


Wisdom is a resting place. Understanding is a bit more aloof but the "data" is at least present.

Like...it's dark. Wisdom dictates we camp here for the night until morning? Perhaps the acknowledgement of our own limitations in the amount of data we can actively have on hand at any given moment?
 
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..I do believe it is a figure of speech because there is no sorrow in heaven and Rachel weepted when Herod killed all the Jewish boys 2 years and younger, figuratively because they are her descendants (she is one of the Patriarchal Mothers of the Jews ).

I love how Scripture NEVER refers to us humans, that died in Him, as dead, gone, no longer exist, but always refers to those that have moved to heaven still in the first person.... we just cast off this old tent and exchanged it for a glorified body.... Still alive in Christ!!!!
Sorry, can't help myself.

Are you saying Rachel is in heaven? It sounds nice, but it really is unscriptural to say we have gone to heaven when we die.
I'll keep it brief because it is not the right channel, and terribly unpopular (I'm sure greater than 99.99% of Christians follow this line), but it really is incorrect.

When did Rachel go to heaven? When she died?
Firstly, it is not possible for sin was not yet paid for. But Jesus himself says:
(John 3:13) "And no one has ascended up to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven".
(btw - this includes Enoch and Elijah - I do have scriptural references)

So then, was it after the cross? After all, sin was now paid for.
In Acts, Peter says:
Act 2:29 Men, brothers, ..as to the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
Act 2:34 For David has not ascended into the heavens..
(you'd think that of all those people in the past that have died, surely David ranks the most worthy - certainly more than Rachel).

Thief on the cross? Simple, move the comma..
"Verily I say unto you, today you will be with me in Paradise"
or should it be..
"Verily I say unto you today, you will be with me in Paradise". (ie. when it finally comes)
(punctuation wasn't invented for another 900yrs or so, so the translators put in their own interpretation).

The NT says believers that have died, are "asleep". A strange description of someone enjoying 'Paradise'.
No, we sleep, and await a yet future resurrection.

* cowering, awaiting the backlash.. *
 

stillness

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Pretty deep question :eek:

Are you looking for a clear answer because I don't think there is one.

Proverbs 7:4 is "a" place to start...that's where I started at this current juncture at least.


Wisdom is a resting place. Understanding is a bit more aloof but the "data" is at least present.

Like...it's dark. Wisdom dictates we camp here for the night until morning? Perhaps the acknowledgement of our own limitations in the amount of data we can actively have on hand at any given moment?
Yes wisdom gives us rest from trouble enlightening our mind to the deceit of evil desires as mentioned in proverbs 7:4, something our understanding cannot do even if it knows better. And yes wisdom would give us intuition not to be overconfident and continue in the dark, tho somme could figure in understanding, but only wisdom can give us rest from trouble, leading us in the Truth that sets us free. You answered corectly.
 

stillness

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Pretty deep question :eek:

Are you looking for a clear answer because I don't think there is one.

Proverbs 7:4 is "a" place to start...that's where I started at this current juncture at least.


Wisdom is a resting place. Understanding is a bit more aloof but the "data" is at least present.

Like...it's dark. Wisdom dictates we camp here for the night until morning? Perhaps the acknowledgement of our own limitations in the amount of data we can actively have on hand at any given moment?
Yes wisdom gives us rest from trouble enlightening our mind to the deceit of evil desires as mentioned in proverbs 7:4, something our understanding cannot do even if it knows better. And yes wisdom would give us intuition not to be overconfident and continue in the dark, tho Somme of us could ffigure in our understanding. But only wisdom can give us rest from trouble, leading us in the Truth that sets us free.
 

stillness

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The ego is a false identity, you may be corect that its from the sedpents loins, since he is the father of lies. Never though of it that way. Makes sence that he would be the father of rebelion, the sin of witchcraft and stuborness as desiring to be like God. You obviously did your homework.
Is not this forbidden fruit from the Serpents loins?
 

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How many Apostles do we know were present at the Sermon on the Mount? And who were they?
 

stillness

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How many Apostles do we know were present at the Sermon on the Mount? And who were they?
There were no apostles present only disciples, they had not been commissionned and sent with the mission until after the Resurrection. But dont mind me, since God calls those things witch be not as tho they were, you sould feel free to do the same; but in that case, i dont now who they were.
 

stillness

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Sorry, can't help myself.

Are you saying Rachel is in heaven? It sounds nice, but it really is unscriptural to say we have gone to heaven when we die.
I'll keep it brief because it is not the right channel, and terribly unpopular (I'm sure greater than 99.99% of Christians follow this line), but it really is incorrect.

When did Rachel go to heaven? When she died?
Firstly, it is not possible for sin was not yet paid for. But Jesus himself says:
(John 3:13) "And no one has ascended up to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven".
(btw - this includes Enoch and Elijah - I do have scriptural references)

So then, was it after the cross? After all, sin was now paid for.
In Acts, Peter says:
Act 2:29 Men, brothers, ..as to the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
Act 2:34 For David has not ascended into the heavens..
(you'd think that of all those people in the past that have died, surely David ranks the most worthy - certainly more than Rachel).

Thief on the cross? Simple, move the comma..
"Verily I say unto you, today you will be with me in Paradise"
or should it be..
"Verily I say unto you today, you will be with me in Paradise". (ie. when it finally comes)
(punctuation wasn't invented for another 900yrs or so, so the translators put in their own interpretation).

The NT says believers that have died, are "asleep". A strange description of someone enjoying 'Paradise'.
No, we sleep, and await a yet future resurrection.

* cowering, awaiting the backlash.. *
Since your waiting,
As long as we dont think we know, we keep learning, and some off us have to learn the hard way. "If any man thinks he knows, he dosent know as he should, but if a man Loves God the same is know of Him." That means God loves that man more because that man came nearer to God and is able by the Holy Spirit to Love as God Loves, this is the new Comandment Jesus gave us, only possible by the Holy Spirit. I am convinced that there are such in heaven awaiting the first Resurrection to rule with Christ. There is more than one heaven. The third heaven is the Resurrection.