Is the doctrine of limited atonement biblical?

In his work, “A Defence of Calvinism,” he states unequivocally: here is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation

frankly, as a non Calvinist, I am both insulted and assaulted when I read 'Calvinism is the gospel and nothing else'

The cult of Calvinism is similar to any other cult. What they teach is supposedly carved in stone, and woe to the one who rejects it.

The amazing thing is that of the many intelligent and gifted Calvinist preachers, none of them were able to discover the fallacies of TULIP simply by searching the Scriptures for themselves. And then REJECTING this nonsense. That goes to show the degree of brainwashing that goes on (or went on), and how Satan has worked among professing Christians to turn them away from the truth.

Every non-Calvinist sees TULIP as a false gospel ("another gospel") and Paul condemned any other gospel than the true Gospel as "accursed". To preach that God elects (or selects) anyone for damnation is a DAMNABLE DOCTRINE.

The doctrines of grace, which some call the Five Points of Calvinism (TULIP), are the topic of some threads I’ve started.

I am not typically the kind of person who likes to debate this topic with people on forums, but a small number of individuals have harassed me on this topic as it has been brought up in threads. Some have called the teaching demonic, and one indicated that I was an idiot for thinking Reformed theology is biblical.

So, I decided to explain the five doctrines of grace in separate threads over time, and why I hold this position. I may also cover other aspects of Reformed teaching in the future.

I don’t believe Reformed theology is necessary to understand for salvation, and I have several non-Reformed friends. None of them are anti-Reformed haters, though, or I wouldn’t spend much time with them.

I think it is important for the encouragement of the Church to understand the principles related to Reformed theology. Why?

Reformed theology should lead to humility. The doctrines of grace were meant to humble the Christian into realizing that salvation is God’s work, therefore they cannot take credit for it. The real believer seeks to glorify and worship God, not themselves and themselves.

Due to influences in the church that I will call “free will theology”, the vast majority of Christians are being taught to glorify human free-will over God’s sovereignty.

Man-centered theology leads to pride and a lack of humility. Pride is the deadly enemy of the believer. Ironically, it can also lead to self-condemnation and a lack of self-confidence in some, because their focus is not on the LORD but is on themselves and their own weakness.

So, is the doctrine of limited atonement biblical? If not, why not?

I will describe why I think it is biblical.

Well, i am convinced that we have present no single denominaton which is 100% right in there doctrine.
I hold it with an bible school teacher who said: The gospel is preached to all and when you except it and once enter heaven through a big gate. Then you will find written when you look to the top of the gate: selected from begin of the world.
Anyway you have to preach the gospel to all.

The cult of Calvinism is similar to any other cult. What they teach is supposedly carved in stone, and woe to the one who rejects it.

The amazing thing is that of the many intelligent and gifted Calvinist preachers, none of them were able to discover the fallacies of TULIP simply by searching the Scriptures for themselves. And then REJECTING this nonsense. That goes to show the degree of brainwashing that goes on (or went on), and how Satan has worked among professing Christians to turn them away from the truth.

Every non-Calvinist sees TULIP as a false gospel ("another gospel") and Paul condemned any other gospel than the true Gospel as "accursed". To preach that God elects (or selects) anyone for damnation is a DAMNABLE DOCTRINE.

Here's the point:

Christ's atonement actually saved people. It didn't potentially save people.

Therefore universal atonement, taught by free-willers is false.

Otherwise the claim is that Christ didn't actually save anyone but he made their salvation possible.

Those who deny eternal security compound their error even further, because they don't believe that the salvation of those who place their faith in Christ is guaranteed.

At least the ones who believe in eternal security realize that those who place their faith in Christ are secure...I'll give them that much.

This is where you err. To teach that salvation occurred at the atonement is not correct. The atonement satisfies the penalty of God on sin. The atonement is not imputed until belief in Christ. Christ has taken our place in judgment. Our sin is laid upon Him and His righteousness given to us. What a wonderful exchange. His robes for mine. He bore my penalty that I could not bare myself.

Salvation has always been by grace through faith. OT believed that God would provide a Savior and the NT believes that Jesus is the promised Savior from God. David proclaimed that blessed is the man to whom God will not impute iniquity. Not by works but by faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The salvation of the elect was earned at the Cross, but was applied by the Holy Spirit in time, at the point of the person's regeneration, which produces faith and repentance.

Of course I believe in a triple imputation. Adam's sins were imputed to man. The believer's sins were imputed to Jesus. The righteousness of Jesus is imputed to the believer at the point of regeneration, too, along with all the other benefits of salvation.

Your issue is believing in a defective so-called atonement. The atonement accomplished NOTHING for any particular person under your theology. It only made POSSIBLE salvation for those who choose, of their own hard heart, to exercise repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

The atonement in Scripture is ACTUAL and PERSONAL. The sins of each of the elect were atoned for on the Cross. They were not simply made possible; they were atoned for.

I don't worship your emasculated god who cannot accomplish his will. YHVH accomplishes his will. Period. End of sentence.

Election is the result of salvation not the cause of salvation. You cannot begin to understand the will of God as long as you shape Him into the image you demand. You are the same as the Muslim in that you make a god who is vengeful and manipulative to serve your earthly desires.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Again, the typical free-willer claim...God doesn't choose, you choose.

Too bad Paul didn't agree. Notice that he indicates that God chose weak things to confound the mighty, and to ensure that no man has ground for boasting, in 1 Cor 1:26ff.

Incorrect exegesis or as some would say esigesis. There is no boasting is receiving the grace of God by faith received from hearing Gods word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Is the hearing of the gospel accompanied by regeneration to enable the faith and repentance response?

If not, then it is the man's contribution to salvation, and he can tell God, you couldn't have done it without me.

Well, i am convinced that we have present no single denominaton which is 100% right in there doctrine.
I hold it with an bible school teacher who said: The gospel is preached to all and when you except it and once enter heaven through a big gate. Then you will find written when you look to the top of the gate: selected from begin of the world.
Anyway you have to preach the gospel to all.

Tach Wolfie!

I've heard this too, several times over many years, and have accepted it until recently. The verse goes, "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight" (Eph. 1:4).

Paul is writing in this part of the chapter about believers, people who are already "in him". Paul doesn't write "to be in him." And what are we (who are in him) chosen for? "To be holy and blameless in his sight." This is God's will for believers. The passage says nothing about our being chosen for salvation.

[Oh, whoops. It's never a good idea to try to do this on an ancient iPad. Recipe for disaster. I'm on the computer now. I'll continue, shall I? Hit "Click to expand" and continue reading.]

So, this isn't about our being chosen for salvation at all. It is about the Lord's will for us who are in him. Look at how many times "in him" or "in Christ" appear in the chapter. This is all about the Lord's expectation for believers.

In v5 though, we read, "In love he predestined us for adoption as sons...". But even this isn't about our being predestined for salvation. Romans 8:23 (again it's Paul using the phrase) makes it clear that this is a future thing: "We ... groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." This will happen when the Lord returns and "creation itself is set free from its bondage to corruption" (v21).

Tschüss!

heretic and heresy is accusation commonly flung by Calvinists

I think Calvinism is a trap that ensnares people and you are right about how the devil works this trap

I say the above fully aware some might think I am simply trying to throw stones as stones have been thrown at me, but I don't say these things lightly

not one has answered my repeated question of how they deal with saying God condemns some people to hell...in fact creates them for that purpose according to Calvinists...when scripture states God created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels

Is the hearing of the gospel accompanied by regeneration to enable the faith and repentance response?

If not, then it is the man's contribution to salvation, and he can tell God, you couldn't have done it without me.

heretic and heresy is accusation commonly flung by Calvinists

I think Calvinism is a trap that ensnares people and you are right about how the devil works this trap

I say the above fully aware some might think I am simply trying to throw stones as stones have been thrown at me, but I don't say these things lightly

not one has answered my repeated question of how they deal with saying God condemns some people to hell...in fact creates them for that purpose according to Calvinists...when scripture states God created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels

The cult of Calvinism is similar to any other cult. What they teach is supposedly carved in stone, and woe to the one who rejects it.

The amazing thing is that of the many intelligent and gifted Calvinist preachers, none of them were able to discover the fallacies of TULIP simply by searching the Scriptures for themselves. And then REJECTING this nonsense. That goes to show the degree of brainwashing that goes on (or went on), and how Satan has worked among professing Christians to turn them away from the truth.

Every non-Calvinist sees TULIP as a false gospel ("another gospel") and Paul condemned any other gospel than the true Gospel as "accursed". To preach that God elects (or selects) anyone for damnation is a DAMNABLE DOCTRINE.

Tach Wolfie!

I've heard this too, several times over many years, and have accepted it until recently. The verse goes, "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight" (Eph. 1:4).

Paul is writing in this part of the chapter about believers, people who are already "in him". Paul doesn't write "to be in him." And what are we (who are in him) chosen for? "To be holy and blameless in his sight." This is God's will for believers. The passage says nothing about our being chosen for salvation. Not until v13 does Paul mention the time a