Question about new testament? ?

For a split second, I thought you might be serious.... then I realized it was too early in the day for you to be drinking. LOL

Lol but I thought it important to know this info. You know why
Because of its want to know
Why is apocryphian book existing
If the bible's Gospel is know
I know my question look ridiculous

Now you are putting your unbelief on display. Just remember that even Balaam's donkey could recognize an angel when she saw him. But there were no donkeys taking the messages to the seven churches.

I don't think your question looks ridiculous, I think it's a very important question.

Earlier I believe you wrote that Athanasius made the first list of the 27 books we use today. That's correct, and that was in 367 AD.

Why believe he picked out the right books? Well, since that time the vast majority of Christians have used those same books as the New testament, so it's a very old Christian tradition.

I don't think your question looks ridiculous, I think it's a very important question.

Earlier I believe you wrote that Athanasius made the first list of the 27 books we use today. That's correct, and that was in 367 AD.

Why believe he picked out the right books? Well, since that time the vast majority of Christians have used those same books as the New testament, so it's a very old Christian tradition.

Who is gathering new testament into one book "bible" ????

Why would a donkey be involved when Christ sent seven angels to seven churches? Or don't you believe that that actually and literally happened?

Just as an angel appeared to Peter to release him from prison, angels took the messages to those seven churches and delivered them.

I don't think your question looks ridiculous, I think it's a very important question.

Earlier I believe you wrote that Athanasius made the first list of the 27 books we use today. That's correct, and that was in 367 AD.

Why believe he picked out the right books? Well, since that time the vast majority of Christians have used those same books as the New testament, so it's a very old Christian tradition.

You mean that there are more Gospel or what?

I read content of this letter he said that he made it to avoid gnostic Gospel who is

Yeah so you agree me that it started at forth century right

I think that is why athanathius have title of apostle

Jo2016, this is a very big and complicated subject matter, too complex to write it all here.
But, in short, men moved by the Holy Spirit wrote the Gospels, Acts & Epistles approximately between 40ad to 90ad.
The Gospels and Acts are all anonymous, all Paul's letters are signed by him (13), the others, some are, some are not. Tradition gives authorship to the unsigned epistles.
No originals remain, only copies, earliest is 125ad, extremely fragmentary.
The only assurance that we have of canonicity and authorship, is what the theologians of the sub-apostolic age handed down.
Athanasius, because he's early, chronologically speaking, is why we give credence to his list, that holds the same for the rest of the uncertain aspects of the manuscripts. i.e. What started early and remained, is the best attestation that we have.
Forgeries abound everywhere, either pseudipigraphical (falsely authored) or deuterocanonical (uninspired).

There are more variants amongst the manuscript families than there are words in the Greek NT, there are various text types, various mediums (papyrus, parchment, vellum), and so on.

No apostle collected the manuscripts that had an impact on the canon today, the manuscripts were both dispersed and destroyed due to wear & tear, exchanging between churches, and persecution (Diocletion ruthlessly went after the manuscripts)

Appreciate the fact that we don't have a controlled and uniform heritage of the Bible, that's all I can say.
But, in my opinion, due to the tireless efforts of textual critics, and the overwhelming amount of extant manuscripts, we are as close as is necessary to the original autographs. Time will even bring us closer.

You mean that there are more Gospel or what?

The earliest copy of the Gospel of John that we have on public display is the tiny papyrus fragment known as P52 (that you see pictured above). It contains John 18:31-33 on the front, and John 18:37-38 on the back, and it's dated from the 1st half of the 2nd Century, probably somewhere around 125 AD.

Here are the P52 Greek passages with the English translation below them.


Princeton Theological Seminary’s Bruce Metzger, one of the twentieth century’s most prominent scholars of New Testament Textual Criticism, described its importance in this way: “Just as Robinson Crusoe, seeing but a single footprint in the sand, concluded that another human being, with two feet, was present on the island with him, so P52 proves the existence and use of the Fourth Gospel during the first half of the second century in a provincial town along the Nile, far removed from its traditional place of composition (Ephesus in Asia Minor).”

The Word of God spread far from its source and it spread quickly. From this fragment we know that already in the first half of the second century there were Christians along the Nile and these Christians were reading the very same words of God that we read today. Just as we value those words and pore over them to promote both understanding and application, so too did our brothers and sisters from the earliest days. We can easily picture a Christian in ancient Egypt reading this account of Jesus’ trial and crucifixion, marveling at God’s grace, and praying that Christ would soon return. ~Author Tim Challies

P52 is, of course, only a copy of the John 18, as none of the NT Autographs have survived, but it shows us that copies of the Gospel were already in circulation during the early 2nd Century, which puts the writing of John's Autograph back into the latter part of the 1st Century. Yeah but there was also people still believe in myth like gnostic and have mysterious book and they made book named after

~Deut

I think the question of what makes a person an apostle is interesting.

Barnabas is called an apostle here.

Acts 14: 14. But when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of it, they tore their clothes, and sprang into the multitude, crying out,

some people say the office of apostle ended with the death of the last of the twelve. Other people say the office of apostle continues on.

I think the question of what makes a person an apostle is interesting.

Barnabas is called an apostle here.

Acts 14: 14. But when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of it, they tore their clothes, and sprang into the multitude, crying out,

some people say the office of apostle ended with the death of the last of the twelve. Other people say the office of apostle continues on.

To this day, certain authorship of the new testament is still in question by some i.e. Hebrews and 6 of Paul's letters.

I think apostle is acquired by succession for example Saint mark assign Anianus and papacy startand the same happened after Saint Peter died

I had read that the authorship of second John and third John is also controversial.

What's your opinion?

I think that would be a view held by most Catholics and Eastern Orthodox people today.

I think most people here on Christian chat, however, will probably say that the office of apostle ended back in the first century.

Lord Jesus assign Peter to rule all the nation and
How church will continue after his death
For example in bible said after Saint Paul leave place he assign ruler to do the same rule of him by holy spirit