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Where's the sarcasm in the above post?

So, your saying that I do not Permit and Forbid, have two different meanings? that's just being silly.

Also, are you saying you don't believe the bible is the word of God? or i am wrong about that.

With all due respect, PennEd, you can look through your own posts to find it. I think you have many great things to say and that you can say it all .... just not at the expense of others. It is up to you.

I'm saying what I said. Why are you having difficulty understanding what I said?

How silly to gather that I don't think the Bible is the Word of God, when I stated verbatim what the word said!

I'm saying what I said. Why are you having difficulty understanding what I said?

Paul DOESN'T make what HE personally does an imperative, or add that the LORD says it.


How silly to gather that I don't think the Bible is the Word of God, when I stated verbatim what the word said!

Thanks .... I guess.... You might be right. Sometimes we ALL need a break from constantly defending the Gospel against false gospels. But ya might want to think about that log in eye thing Jesus spoke about. Could be me, but I see a fair amount of sarcasm in post's like THIS:

JANEAUX:
" understood you quite easily. Penn Ed seems to think that we do not understand him because breadth of knowledge is unsurpassed "

If that's not sarcasm, I don't know what is!

PennEd: You asked me why I said that you might reword/leave out unnecessary (sarcastic, demeaning things, etc)? Well the above is typica of what you do. I have emboldened just two of your comments for your consideration.

You imply in #1 that we are having difficulty understanding what you say. I dont & I am sure I am not alone.
in #2 you say that the other person is being silly. The word "silly" is a put down. It is demeaning another person & placing yourself on a higher plain.
Your attempts may work on some and make them feel bad. On others, like myself, you are showing me how little you know. As I quoted before:
"The more I know, the more I realize how little I know".

Touche, PennEd, but it had to be said to let you know that you are not smarter than all people and neither am I: Again: "The more I learn, the more I realize how litte I know" ... and that is NOT sarcasm, but wisdom. The very well-educated seem to know this.

Im going to bed, good night, make sure u read that comment i wrote, good luck in supporting the wickedness of women pastors, shameful if you ask me.

Also Janeaux, don't be an idiot.

Here's the thing. I brought up my Greek prof because he is a renowned world authority on translating Greek, including exegetical issues. His father, Robert Mounce is a renowned Greek scholar, his cousin, Daniel Wallace, is the top Greek grammarian in the world.

I told you to read his extensive Word Commentary on this passage after 40 some pages, Bill Mounce comes to the same conclusion as this not so famous old lady writing this. (And not so experienced!) The passage ultimately DOES rest on the single word, authentein, and how it is translated. Mounce himself said that to me in class. The word authentein is a tangled problem, because of being a hapax legomena! How you choose to translate the word depends more in your personal feelings toward the relationship between men and women. Are men special, and the only ones able to serve God in ministry? You simply have failed to prove it scriptural. Your exegesis is wrong!

Complimentarians harp on the roles God gave to Adam and Eve after the Fall in the Garden of Eden. Christ is the second Adam (Romans 5) and he has freed us from the Fall, and the ugly roles that were placed upon both men and women as a result of the Fall. Why would anyone not celebrate that Christ has set us free from sin, which includes sin in the Garden which we all bear, and the end of roles as part of the law. Jesus destroyed roles on the cross, by defeating Satan on the cross.

Why not live in the light of eternity, since Christ has born our place in the cross, and we are being set free from sin and death? We are being sanctified now, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Soon, we will see Jesus face to face, and we will be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

As for didaskein, it is a term used by rabbinical students. They were not to teach, until they were judged by their master to fully understand the truth of God's Word. Women, mostly illiterate, need to sit quietly and learn, first how to read, and then the gospel. Then the deeper things of God.

Instead of being second class, as in the Roman, Greek and Jewish societies, women were given the right to be saved, follow Christ and to study to show themselves workers approved. Jesus set women free from their bondage, when he died. That sin started in the Garden, but women and men were redeemed and changed by the power of God. If you want to park on Genesis 3 and the results of roles as a consequence of sin, go for it! I am living as a set free New Testament Christian, free to worship God, to learn and grow in my faith, as an equal to any man.

As for Gal 3, you have fallen into the same foolish trap Paul warns of in the beginning of the chapter. You are trying to live by the law, not the Spirit!

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Gal 3:1-6

Mid-chapter, Paul discusses the Seed which is Christ. And how we are one in him. Not first and second that is found no where in scripture. It is a lie from Satan to divide men and women from each other and Christ.

Your hermeneutics supports the division Satan created between God and humans, and man and woman. You are trying to keep alive the consequences of sin, not the result of Christ's death in the cross!
"Whom the Son sets free us free indeed!" John 8:36

Christ came to reconcile us to God and one another. look what Paul states later on in Galatians 3. Christ is the seed of Abraham and we do not claim our inheritance because of the law, but by grace.

"15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one." Gal 3:5-10.

The promised Seed is Christ Jesus. We are joint heirs in soteriology, but we can also claim to be heirs and equal with men, as Paul finishes the chapter, below!
(Your exegesis brings not only faulty, but learned from i Er zealous men!)

"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:26-29

I belong to Christ! I am Abraham's spiritual seed, the same as any man or woman who has given their life to Christ and follow him. I am free to follow the calling of God for my life. I am a pastor, I feed my sheep in my ministry. God called me once to go to seminary, and I did not go. My stumbling block was that only men are pastors. My life went downhill, so when God called me 15 years later to go to seminary, I answered the call and God trained me and gave me the most amazing ministry working with the hurting and broken. Praise God!

Hi Dino, the reason I called them exegetical errors is because she has overlooked the over-arching context in the pericopes that she quoted, in order to isolate certain verses, and then to give them an isolated context and interpretation. The is in violation of hermeneutics 101. That is why is said elementary. In other words, every single Egalitarian that i have heard to date, always does this, they are forced to isolate every sentence within a paragraph, and then apply a context to it. Absolutely absurd and inept, and this sentiment is not subjective!
Paul, the inspired author, does not speak in 3 different contexts within 1 paragraph, no one does! The bias and ineptitude is evident in those who say otherwise!

Both of you Dino, tried to isolate authentein in order to contrive your own context as being circumstantial. Meanwhile, didaskein is right beside authentein in order to refine the context, and then ultimately, verse 13 speaks on the most fundamental and intrinsic manner possible, 'Adam was firmed first'. All in the same context of thought! Dino, I am seeing nothing but denial here.

Go ahead, I challenge you to call me ignorant, irresponsible or frivolous, unwise or incompetent in my understanding of what I just analysed, and the process therein?

Well, God didn't say anything to you, its just your own delusion.

Walk by Faith, don't walk by your senses and feelings.

God has spoken to us in His word, that is God's way of tellings us things.

Alot of Christians do this, yet they don't realize that there hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked by nature, they can't trust themselves, this is why you must live by what God has said in His Word.

God never put a verse in the bible that says for example:
Genesis 37:40 "look around you, look at each and everyone of them. And then He said "a life lived outside your purpose for existence, is a life lived ineffectively, And then He said "a life lived outside your purpose for existence, is a life lived ineffectively."

I cant find it bro.

George Muller said "if i'm following voices and impressions, then i am a most deluded person."

Just take your bible and rip out the parts in the O.T. and N.T. pertaining to the qualifications of a Bishop, or maybe the parts in the O.T. pertaining to the priests and who was allowed or not to stand and read the word.......nothing like 21st century watered down pseudo Christianity..............!!

Ok, well im sorry, thats good you believe the bible to be the word of God, so after Paul gives the instructions on the office of Pastor being a Male only position he says in 1st Tim 3:15 if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.

So Paul is saying that this is how the church of God is to be, the church of the Living God it says, sorry its God's word not Paul's opinion.

Because the Church of the Living God, is God's and this is the word of God

Where is the word, "pastor" in 1 Timothy?

Oh, whoops... it isn't there.

Perhaps then you should not be so dogmatic in your claim that Paul forbids women from being "pastors".

1 Corinthians 14:35‭, ‬40 KJV

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Let all things be done decently and in order.

It is not honorable for women to be pastors. Paul said it is a shameful. Why would they insist on pastoring?