Should President Trump be Impeached?

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Should President Trump be Impeached?


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7seasrekeyed

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#41
Well, I haven't heard anything about Prime Minister Trudeau that would be grounds for impeachment, but I do know that Canadian geese have been crossing the border illegally for decades and creating emergencies for American parks and recreation, and lost revenues for overtime hours for park employees.

It is possible that some of those geese could be carrying sophisticated Russian spy camera's that look like goose tags, which could be effecting American elections.
And Canadian geese can not be indicted, so they may have diplomatic immunity, which makes them very dangerous, and could create a very messy situation, if you know what I mean.

Maybe you should check into that...

you don't impeach Canadian Prime Ministers

however, voting in Canada is very different from here

Trudeau needs to go though, but he just got voted back in...far less popular than he was at first

he's made a mess of Canada's finances and the dollar has fallen so low you have to look in the ditch to find it
 

calibob

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#44
And just who determines this?
They tried to throw the Apostle Paul overboard too--
Right up until the point where God intervened.
We are not talking about a mutiny, nobody is going to make the Trump walk the plank.

I think that the impeachment proceedings are just a huge waste of time and money at this point in time. I'm not any kind of lawer, especially in regards to the Constitution. However I do believe the procedure for either impeachment or a 25th amendment decision is written in the Constitution itself.

The 2020 election will be long over before any final decision can be made. At this point in time I'd rather let the voters decide. This still is a Democratic Republic.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#46
if I am not mistaken, I don't think this site is even US based or at least the owner isn't?

not sure but I thought I saw that somewhere

at any rate, no one should be bashing Canadians or any other country on here

the way to get better understanding is by explaining...not using words that underscore your own inability to be civil to people you disagree with

I don't actually care about your opinions because of the way you interact and snarl at others...and your phony well wishes are not fooling anyone

you don't own the site and you have less than 0 input regarding what anyone should post and your childish comments amount to bullying

the Canadians, other than myself, have not even really bothered to reply to your churlishness in telling them they have no right to comment

I responded because I think you NEED a response and you need to curtail how you respond to people you seem to think are less capable of having an opinion than do you

maybe learn something about the way other countries view the US BECAUSE of the way some Americans think they own the planet

I do not actually care one way or another with regards to a response you think might be forthcoming

I have interacted with you enough to know you like to pick fights.

not interested
 

PennEd

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#47
Well.... So much for the non bitter day. But some people derive pleasure from the reverse.
So maybe my wish WAS a success!! Yay!
 
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#48
you don't impeach Canadian Prime Ministers

however, voting in Canada is very different from here

Trudeau needs to go though, but he just got voted back in...far less popular than he was at first

he's made a mess of Canada's finances and the dollar has fallen so low you have to look in the ditch to find it
Our deficit is insane, but the debt hasn't ballooned in Canada as badly has it has in other countries including the United States where its reached over 100% when measured as Debt to GDP. In Canada our's is in and around 30%....and its that justification that Trudeau's Liberal government has used to rationalize breaking the 2015 election promise to balance the budget.

Parliamentary democracy is very different from the US Republican model, in point of fact Canada doesn't directly elect the Prime Minister. We've even had a couple within the last 40 or so years who became Prime Minister after the sitting PM resigned...John Turner and Kim Campbell.

In a nutshell here is how it works. Canada has 338 ridings, which are basically like US Congressional districts. In each riding or district parties run candidates....we have the Conservative and Liberals, and one or the other has won every federal election in our history. But there are other parties as well, the socialist or labor centered NDP, the Green Party....and then some smaller parties, Christian Heritage Party, Communist Party,

Anyway all the parties can run candidates in each riding....and the person who wins the riding is the person with the most votes, they don't have to be at 50%+1.....just the most, we call it "First Past the Post" or FPTP for short. So in a riding with a Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green and a People's Party candidate....its conceivable that the winner might only get 25% of the total vote.

Anyway after the election the winning candidates form our House of Commons, much like the US House of Representatives. Whichever party has the most seats forms the government, and the leader of that party becomes Prime Minister. If the winning party has over half the seats they can run basically unopposed....they can do what they want.

Lots of people talk about Hillary winning the popular vote in your last election. In Canada Trudeau, like Trump, lost the popular vote....Liberal candidates won roughly 33% of the vote while Andrew Scheer's Conservative candidates won about 34%. The remaining 33% were spread between the other parties NDP, Greens, a party called the Bloc Quebecois which only ran candidates in the province (state) of Quebec....there was also the People's Party which got 1.7% of the vote (the party I voted for) and a whole mess of smaller parties. We even had one independent candidate elected.

Of the 338 seats in our Parliament (again, similar to your house of reps) the Liberals took 157 seats....which is 13 shy of what was needed for a majority. That means that in order to pass legislation they'll need the support of at least 13 other members from other parties. In Canada most votes follow party lines....so Trudeau will need the support of either the Conservaties who have 95 seats, or the Bloc with its 32, or the NDP and its 24.

I'm Canadian but I spent a lot of my younger years growing up in the United States, (NY, NJ and Oregon) and I'm a bit of a political junkie so I understand the two systems fairly well....not perfect but pretty darned good.

I'm looking forward to the US election next year, if you divorce yourself from caring about the outcome it can be very entertaining.....
 
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Susanna

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#49
I'm looking forward to the US election next year, if you divorce yourself from caring about the outcome it can be very entertaining.....
Unfortunately politics in the USA has made this a common way of thinking.

I was watching tv the other day, and your PM, and his sidekick from the UK, and the President of France was making fun of the American President.

Now, I’m not a fan of Trump, but that wasn’t really appropriate.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#50
Our deficit is insane, but the debt hasn't ballooned in Canada as badly has it has in other countries including the United States where its reached over 100% when measured as Debt to GDP. In Canada our's is in and around 30%....and its that justification that Trudeau's Liberal government has used to rationalize breaking the 2015 election promise to balance the budget.

Parliamentary democracy is very different from the US Republican model, in point of fact Canada doesn't directly elect the Prime Minister. We've even had a couple within the last 40 or so years who became Prime Minister after the sitting PM resigned...John Turner and Kim Campbell.

In a nutshell here is how it works. Canada has 338 ridings, which are basically like US Congressional districts. In each riding or district parties run candidates....we have the Conservative and Liberals, and one or the other has won every federal election in our history. But there are other parties as well, the socialist or labor centered NDP, the Green Party....and then some smaller parties, Christian Heritage Party, Communist Party,

Anyway all the parties can run candidates in each riding....and the person who wins the riding is the person with the most votes, they don't have to be at 50%+1.....just the most, we call it "First Past the Post" or FPTP for short. So in a riding with a Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green and a People's Party candidate....its conceivable that the winner might only get 25% of the total vote.

Anyway after the election the winning candidates form our House of Commons, much like the US House of Representatives. Whichever party has the most seats forms the government, and the leader of that party becomes Prime Minister. If the winning party has over half the seats they can run basically unopposed....they can do what they want.

Lots of people talk about Hillary winning the popular vote in your last election. In Canada Trudeau, like Trump, lost the popular vote....Liberal candidates won roughly 33% of the vote while Andrew Scheer's Conservative candidates won about 34%. The remaining 33% were spread between the other parties NDP, Greens, a party called the Bloc Quebecois which only ran candidates in the province (state) of Quebec....there was also the People's Party which got 1.7% of the vote (the party I voted for) and a whole mess of smaller parties. We even had one independent candidate elected.

Of the 338 seats in our Parliament (again, similar to your house of reps) the Liberals took 157 seats....which is 13 shy of what was needed for a majority. That means that in order to pass legislation they'll need the support of at least 13 other members from other parties. In Canada most votes follow party lines....so Trudeau will need the support of either the Conservaties who have 95 seats, or the Bloc with its 32, or the NDP and its 24.

I'm Canadian but I spent a lot of my younger years growing up in the United States, (NY, NJ and Oregon) and I'm a bit of a political junkie so I understand the two systems fairly well....not perfect but pretty darned good.

I'm looking forward to the US election next year, if you divorce yourself from caring about the outcome it can be very entertaining.....

I'm Canadian

I know :)

I will not be giving up my Canadian citizenship either

I don't see the Conservatives supporting that little boy unless they get more out than they put in or see a way to oust him

Western Canada is furious and I don't blame them even though I am from the eastern half of the country

I'm looking forward to the US election next year, if you divorce yourself from caring about the outcome it can be very entertaining
if...IF... the left wins here, I will not want to stay. they will win it all eventually.

and I hate their health system. it's all about how deep your pockets are. :(

a guy ran into us a couple of years ago...demolished my husband's van...and I was injured but not badly...went for xrays and they charged 8000 smackeroos. I didn't have to pay of course...but xrays? like .50cents xrays?

it's immoral

and the veterinarians are way more expensive for the same things

I'm looking forward to the US election next year, if you divorce yourself from caring about the outcome it can be very entertaining....
I sure don't see it that way.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#51
Unfortunately politics in the USA has made this a common way of thinking.

I was watching tv the other day, and your PM, and his sidekick from the UK, and the President of France was making fun of the American President.

Now, I’m not a fan of Trump, but that wasn’t really appropriate.

they are goofy little boys. gossip girls

Trudeau should be wearing a skirt IMO and the other 2 are sad wannabees
 
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#52
Unfortunately politics in the USA has made this a common way of thinking.

I was watching tv the other day, and your PM, and his sidekick from the UK, and the President of France was making fun of the American President.

Now, I’m not a fan of Trump, but that wasn’t really appropriate.
FWIW Richard Nixon once made a a disparaging remark about then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (Justin's father) to Henry Kissenger, he called our then PM something that everyone has, and I'm not talking about opinions. Trudeau wrote a book in the 90s and in reference to Nixon's remark he said "I've been called worse by better people".

In both Nixon's and Justin Trudeau's case I don't think either meant their remarks for public consumption...but in today's world you have to assume someone is always listening. That was even true for a US President back in the 1960s and 1970s.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#53
FWIW Richard Nixon once made a a disparaging remark about then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (Justin's father) to Henry Kissenger, he called our then PM something that everyone has, and I'm not talking about opinions. Trudeau wrote a book in the 90s and in reference to Nixon's remark he said "I've been called worse by better people".

In both Nixon's and Justin Trudeau's case I don't think either meant their remarks for public consumption...but in today's world you have to assume someone is always listening. That was even true for a US President back in the 1960s and 1970s.
Trudeau was a very intelligent man whatever else he might have been...and popular also

he was decisive and authoritative....unlike mommy's boy
 
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#54
Trudeau was a very intelligent man whatever else he might have been...and popular also

he was decisive and authoritative....unlike mommy's boy
I absolutely concur, one didn't have to agree with PET's politics, but to my mind there was no disputing the man's intellect....at times I think he took things to far, was too ambitious in his efforts to create 'the great society'. TV Ontario interviewed a journalist and the host said something like "Pierre Trudeau was considered by many to be intellectually brilliant, smart. Does Justin have that same intelligence".

The journalist after a brief pause said: "....uhm, no. But it has been said that he has 'emotional intelligence'. So on real intelligence JT gets a failing grade.
 
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#56
I don't know about Macron, but Trudeau's Liberals only managed about 32% of the popular vote in our last election....roughly 68% of Canadians didn't vote for the Liberals, and this total lack of judgment is one of the reasons why.
 

Lightskin

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#57
I love knowing President Trump is going to be re-elected next year. 😎
 
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#58
I'll have my popcorn out here in Canada definitely on election night....I think both sides are supremely confident. Trump's supporters are convinced he's one of, if not the best president ever. And on the other side probably roughly an equal number are convinced he's the worst.

No matter who wins though I see storm clouds forecasting a recession for whoever wins....governments are piling on mountains of debt, not just in the US but in Canada as well, a 1 or 2 % jump in interest rates and we're in trouble.
 

PennEd

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#59
OK. Haven't checked in on this thread in awhile.

The VOTE in this thread is 18 to ZERO!!!


We can discount all the votes of the FOUR foreigners from Canada who obviously can have an opinion, but who's vote is meaningless.

That's right, as of now, NO American here has voted for impeachment.
 

Billyd

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#60
With impeachment now a forgone conclusion, the question now becomes what should the senate do with the articles being sent to it for a trial?

Personally, I'm for postponing any trial until the democratic convention. If we are to be bombarded with two clown shows, we should hold them at the same time.

If I were Mitch McConnell, I'd put the articles up for a floor vote with no debate on arrival at the senate. Why waste the senate's time on something that you already know the outcome of the vote.