Not By Works

Just as you challenged me to produce the specific words 'lose salvation' in the Bible, I challenged you to produce the words 'you can't lose salvation' in the Bible. And you couldn't.

I'm just showing you the hypocrisy of your argument.
What we are discussing are the concepts of these two arguments in scripture, not whether or not the specific words 'lose salvation', or 'can't lose salvation' are in scripture. Because they aren't.

It's great if you were the rare exception that started out in the 4th type of soil when you got saved. And I mean that. But I assure you that the rest of us who didn't are still very much saved, too......as long as we retain the seed planted and growing in us.

The point is to have soil that does not cast out the word of God but retains it and brings it to fruition more and more as it grows in that soil.

The fourth type of soil does not represent 'saved vs. not saved'. It represents the soil from which the word of God is firmly planted (rooted) and can't be easily uprooted. It's the only soil in which anyone can even begin to make a boast of never ever being able to lose salvation because of a rejection of the word of God. And it don't take a college degree to see that most of us in the church don't have that kind of soil upon which to make that boast.

Future perseverance is not an indication of salvation.... Calvin was wrong.....and Hebrews
does not teach this.

Very sad to overlay this on salvation which is a free gift .....which has no strings attached.

Preservation is not a string. It is what Jesus does and accomplishes. If it was a string, it would be something we accomplish, which it is not. It is the work of Christ, who not only begins but also finishes our faith

Works are a consequence of faith👌

...a fruit

😱why did you think I was Catholic???

Awww poor Butterfly that was a low blow.
Someone thought you where catholic ..

But it wasn't me

Yes, we are saved by faith alone, but through faith we are raised us to spiritual life by God

Jesus accomplishes it all at our new birth.

We manifest outwardly what has already been accomplished inwardly.

As I understand it, apostasy is when a Christian leaves the true way, but still thinks they are on it.

Theses are two entirely different concepts ...... perseverance and preservation would you agree?

Preservation is the cause. Perserverance is the result, do you agree?

What does Jesus accomplish in His present priestly ministry?

What does it mean He is able to keep you from falling

What does it mean we are made partakers ( last tense) if we hold fast our confidence till the end

The onus of proof is on you because we know that scripture makes it clear that righteousness is imputed, the born again believer is justified, redeemed, sealed, given a gift, adopted, new creation and so one.

Losable salvation is a detestable concept..... stating the God would take away something we could never earn, merit or keep by our own volition.... He created a perfect salvation so that Satan would never again have victory over those who have believed.

And yet you are argue with full force that God is incompetent to accomplish is will for those who believe.

Utterly tragic to defy God's word and plant seeds of doubt among the believers on this forum.

I was going to ask VCO that, but never got around to it

What I stated learning to live out what He has won for us.

Which includes the fact that God is able to keep us from falling.

No

What do you mean by falling?