144,000 ?

A literal number or of the golden signified measure? Therefore the gold using residents of the city . Christians, a appropriate God name his bride the church. Christian literally with no other meaning added meaning residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ. And not the literal rule as human architect. The Lord God All-Powerful and the Lamb were the city’s temple.. . no visible literal temple

12,000 times 12,000 = 144, 000 residents . the bride of Christ.

And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. Revealtion 21: 15

Gold represents the purity or glory of God .

Revelation 14:1-3 King James Version (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth

It is not a literal measure that comes by walking by sight and not golden faith measure seeing there is not literal temple. Why literal ?

What's the hope in that?

That is the hope for the 12 tribes of Israel, therefore the 144,000 redeemed Jews are as literal as literal can be. God does not deal in confusion.

12,000 times 12 = 144, 000
12,000 times 12,000 = 144, 000, 000
12,000 times 12,000 times 12,000 = 1.728e+12

Rev 21
16The city lies foursquare, with its width the same as its length. And he measured the city with the rod, and all its dimensions were equal—12,000 stadia in length and width and height. 17And he measured its wall to be 144 cubits, by the human measure the angel was using.

Yes he is the God of order.. having nothing to do with flesh which could never profit as the Son of man spoke of his own flesh signified as sinful . Its the unseen Spirit that does the work of faith. The law of faith. Holiness of the Spirit no such thing as holiness of the flesh.

What kind of hope seeing God who is not a man as us is not a respecter of persons? Is it a different kind than the hope of a "born again" Gentile?

When you say redeemed Jews in which way as inward Jew born again or outward Jew according to the corrupted flesh? Can an outward Jew re enter their mother womb?

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh

It would seem the new name God promised to name his bride, the church. . . is Christian, it replaced to old name Jew.

Christian, a word with no other meaning added literally means; "residents of the city of Christ the new heavenly Jerusalem prepared as His bride named after her husband Christ" . Why go back to the old name? Or are there two brides, two gospel ?

Why do you thing God changed the name of his bride in Acts?

Lets say redemption was in respect to their corrupted flesh. What percentage of Jewish blood would qualify a person if it was after the old corruptible flesh of a Jew. Is there a DNA check? If so in respect to which family .

Ezekiel 16:2-4 King James Version (KJV) Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

I would think the need for DNA ended with the geanalolgy of Jesus. The spiritual seed had met the promised fulfillment.

Is there another promised demonstration of the unseen Father pouring out His Spirit life on the flesh of the Son man signified as sinful ?

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Therefore the law of faith, mixed with the letter of the law that kills . Creating one perfect new law.

Christ's work of faith must be mixed into the things seen and heard. Those who literalize the gospel seem to fall short of walking by faith the unseen eternal .

We must be careful how we hear what the Spirit says to the believers . Outward Jews included.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The measurement is souls of the bride as resident of the city . . . not buildings but lively stones that make up the spiritual house (Christianity) .

God and the Lamb are the unseen temple. There will be no literal temple to literally to measure standing in the holy place as a abomination of desolation. The reformation came .Therefore revealing to us God does not live in temples made with human hands and neither is he served by the corrupted flesh of mankind.

The golden measure represent the things revealed from heaven called "walking by faith" after the eternal not seen . The gospel .

The human measure looks straight ahead at the temporal .

It would seem the golden prescription for the 20/20 vision must be applied. Then there is a hope that when he comes on the last day he will find his faith as a labor of His love working in the hearts of men to both will and perform His good pleasure .(imputed righteousness)

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. .. . . . . (The golden measure.) The measure of purity.
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there’s no temple I understand what your saying, there’s a city beyond the temporal that has measure
maybe you meant to say 12k x 12 = 144k, because 12k x 12k doesn’t equal 144k.

there’s three measurements mentioned in scripture of the city width length and height each equally 12,000 furlongs. what is unseen will be seen and it has measure.

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That’s exactly the notion I came to. Right there in the Holy Book of Revelations does it attest to whom are the 144,000.00.

Its a description of one redeemed bride .She is made up of 12 gates as tribes with the tribe of Dan missing. And 12 apostles with Judah missing as walls (one bride) . Both together give the number 144 000 as unknown. God does not literally number people and days or have respect for the flesh of one nation over another. .

Like David who was of the number compared that seen to that seen and many died as God protected His work of faith.

We walk by faith mixing it as the golden rule .No mixing, no gospel.

We look to the things not seen the eternal.

There's no need to fantasize and spiritualize. The Bible is crystal clear that there will be 144,000 redeemed Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel -- 12,000 per tribe, who will be distinct from the Church, but also raptured to Heaven in the future. This is quite apart from the establishment of redeemed and restored Israel after the second coming of Christ. There too, all twelve tribes will be given their designated portions of the land of Greater Israel. And they will dwell there eternally.

Some Christians (perhaps many) have a hard time swallowing the fact that God has an eternal plan for redeemed and restored Israel just like he has one for the Church (which is redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body until the Resurrection/ Rapture). Many believe that God is through with Israel, and everything about Israel now applies to the Church. That is the false doctrine of Replacement Theology.

God di not replace the inward jew he just changed her name to Christian. its never about the couruopted flesh of any nation. that a believe of the literalizers making the signified underderstanding without effect. (no faith needed)

Its a spiritual book written by the Holy Spirit of God. It is not concerned with the temporal political nations of this world as philosophical. (Rome earthly, Jerusalem, USA ) as if his kingdom did come by observing what the eyes see the temporal . What we need is to learn how to walk by faith the eternal not seen.

No need to literalize the inspired and signified language of Revelation . Remember without parable beginning in the book of Genesis Christ spoke not. Whole time periods are as parables that are historallly true as well as spiritual the signified hidden understanding. We are living in the time period of the last days.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

Tribes used a metaphor represent gates of the city as residents called the bride. Apostles are used as wall to represent the same residents as the bride. Together they signify 144,000 .The same bride in Revelation Chapter 12.No need to make it after the temporal flesh seen

The golden or signified understanding. Measuring the golden by the earthen literal . . . misses out on the richness of the hidden treasure .The gospel, a unseen thread woven mixed through the whole book.

You hear from those who literalize the signified language. They as their hermeneutics say ...If it makes any kind of sense don't follow the prescribed manner for searching out the eternal things not seen .

Its more how can we hear . Not what does the eyes see. and therefore don't dig any deeper you might find a pearl .

No prescription for literalizing spiritual unseen things of faith.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The whole idea of using the flesh of one nation and pitting it against the flesh and blood of another is simply not a biblical doctrine

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Not by sight the goal of literalizers that make the spiritual without effect. .