Not By Works

Thanks for clarifying for me.
I was just a bit concerned that you were conveying that once we come to Jesus then the fruit come naturally as in straight away.

I'm a man who was battered by it.
Was told things like "you still smoke? Just stop it and if you don't you will smell like the place you are going to which is hell.

Same with my gambling addiction. Yet no one took the time to come alongside and ask why.

The response was "Bible says now go do"
If I could why would I seek help in the first place?

As a child who was bought up by a mother who hated me, shame on Muslim woman to get pregnant by a Catholic, was on the abortion table but the doctors could not carry it out.

Then thrown out by her at 13. Taken in by a Christian foster family then sexually abused (side note sexually abused by an uncle and cousin at the age 8-9).

Never told I was loved, basically a piece of something you would wipe of your shoes.

If only people in the church had come alongside and discipled me.
Not with don't do but with how much God loves me, that actually he is my Father.
There is a lot more in the Bible than go do.
It doesn't stop at stopping stuff.

Jesus said "The Father loves me/you/us as much as he loves him"
Hey walk in that, go do that.

Hey God says he loves us with an everlasting love and will never forsake you (throw you out) hey go walk in that.

I'm just trying to give an insight to my life and journey with God.
I stopped going to church for about 10 years. I felt so useless and worthless.
Never lost my faith in Jesus but lost my faith in the people of the church.

It didn't come naturally but I grew in the fruit as a result of understanding who I am in Jesus.

So my question was based on my experience and just wanted to make sure that you are not one of the people who says "Bible says now go do"

Just to finish I actually thank God for what I have been through because

Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

He has worked good in what I have been through and now is using me to walk with others who have gone through what I have.

But he came back.

As I have posted a few posts back

Going to ask you to be honest. Have you ever been a member of CC under a different name?

I agree totally with confession of sin to the Father.
I think it's a relational thing.
I did actually think about posting that but did not.
The reason being the prodigal son could not do that.
He did not have the access to Father that we have today.
He acknowledged when returned that he had sinned but that he was no longer to be worthy to be called his son.

On account of Jesus we can confess on a daily basis.
We will always be his children.
We have the opportunity to confess 24/7.
Not to be forgiven because we already have been.

That's why I did not post the Bible verse "If we confess our sin"
The truth for me is that when we sin the barrier is guilt that stops us from coming to God (well for some it is) and God does not want that.

That is why the temple curtain was torn in two.

'Again' being the operative word...

I hadn't a quick look at the Greek word for severed and you make an interesting point.

Thank you Father, for kittens and sea shells and sand dollars💕🙏🏻❤️🤗xx

Yes that is a very good question indeed...... very familiar rhetoric.

I agree they cannot fall from positional grace.... I do not think this is what Paul was referencing here since that does not harmonize with his other writings.

There are saved believers who get entangled in the bondage of legalism; I know, I was one; and God in His faithfulness and loving-kindness delivered me from it👌🙏🏻❤️

I think that grace is available to us as soon as we are saved... however I agree that it takes a level of understanding as we grow in knowledge.

Yes

they were in bondage

they were now in a lace where they could find grace

and they were returning again to bondage

I would state this incorrect according to God's Holy word..... since salvation is a one time event that wherein a person is justified a status conferred by God that cannot be revoked, lost or forsaken.

They had found grace .... hehehehe

Justification

that is positional grace

paul said justified by grace multiple times he never mentioned sanctification up to that point

I wonder if someone @dcontroversal, @eternally-gratefull @OneOfHis @PennEd
Could clarify this post please and show that it does not mean what his stating it means.
Thank you

Showing the love again