The genealogies of Christ: “the son of David"

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Nehemiah6 said:
Ten is also viewed as a complete and perfect number, as is 3, 7 and 12.
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what's different about these numbers than other numbers?
is any combination of 3, 7, 10 and/or 12 "perfect" ?
3*7 + 10 - 12 = 19?
7*7*3 + 12 = 159?
12-7 = 5?

are there rules? what rules? where do they come from?

(12+10)*7 = 154 is this 'ultimate perfection' ??


Nehemiah6 said:
It is made up of 4, the number of the physical creation, and 6, the number of man.
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where does ((whoever wrote this)) get 4 being the number of creation? where do they get 6 being the number of man? because Adam was made on the 6th day? but 'physical creation' wasn't finished in 4 days, nor did it begin on the 4th day. Revelation says the number of 'a man' is 6 hundred, 60, and 6 -- not just '6' -- and man is made "a little lower than the angels" - does that make the angels 7? then what is God? 8 ?

Nehemiah6 said:
the genealogy of Jesus Christ is divided up and given in sets of 14 (2x7) generations, two being associated with incarnation.
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where does this guy get '2 is associated with incarnation' ??

there are only 40 names in Matthew 1 -- not (2*7)*3 = 42
why? why does he count the way he does? and why does he telescope / selectively omit from 1 Chronicles to list 14 fathers out of the 18 recorded there?
 
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bojack said:
Interesting, what you got before I shoot my big mouth off ?
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the word of the LORD came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians. ​
There the hand of the LORD was on him. ​
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posthuman said:
"double perfection" ?

regular perfection isn't good enough?



"total perfection" ?

double perfection isn't perfect enough either; we need 6*7 before we're totally perfect?

is there any rigor to this?
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I would have to agree double perfection, what is beyond perfect, double doesn’t seem to fit
 
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JamOn said:
I would have to agree double perfection, what is beyond perfect
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I get the sense that the guy Nehemiah quoted is trying to describe something he doesn't really understand, without letting on that he doesn't.
 
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posthuman said:
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the word of the LORD came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians. ​
There the hand of the LORD was on him. ​
(Ezekiel 1:3) ​
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Was Ezekiel a Levite or just called by God to be a prophet and priest .. I'm not clear on whether Samual was a levite but he was brought up by eli in the temple
 
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posthuman said:
I get the sense that the guy Nehemiah quoted is trying to describe something he doesn't really understand, without letting on that he doesn't.
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Like when some guy who really isn't a mechanic, but he knows more than his girlfriend does, tries to tell her about how his truck works.
Or when most of us talk about Greek & Hebrew lol, we don't know what we're saying - we just have access to dictionaries
 
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bojack said:
The list of 18 names .. Was it kings
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It's the genealogy of the line of David - yes, the royal line, kings up until the captivity. You can trace the same through 1-2 Kings. Compared to the the OT, Matthew omits 4 generations in his second set.

That's amazing. I do not believe Matthew is making a mistake. He's doing something very strange here, not just a basic list of heridty. He's skipping generations on purpose, IMO.
 
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Something I find interesting is it seems David is mentioned twice in 2 of the 14 generations. upon counting then up, King David generation seems symbolic, because adding them up they don’t get to 14 unless one of the David’s mentioned is symbolic. I think this Points to that here David is mentioned twice as well.

Mt1:17
Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David,
Fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.
 
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posthuman said:
It's the genealogy of the line of David - yes, the royal line, kings up until the captivity. You can trace the same through 1-2 Kings. Compared to the the OT, Matthew omits 4 generations in his second set.

That's amazing. I do not believe Matthew is making a mistake. He's doing something very strange here, not just a basic list of heridty. He's skipping generations on purpose, IMO.
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Didn't some kings die and their brother take over or I think one never had a son but in Matthew it claims begotten with each name .. This is interesting
 
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JamOn said:
Something I find interesting is it seems David is mentioned twice in 2 of the 14 generations. upon counting then up, King David generation seems symbolic, because adding them up they don’t get to 14 unless one of the David’s mentioned is symbolic
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I still can't understand why God the Father isn't listed '' in both genealogies'', well I can because that would take the personal revelation by the Holy Spirit out of play .. kinda sorta
 
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posthuman said:
It's the genealogy of the line of David - yes, the royal line, kings up until the captivity. You can trace the same through 1-2 Kings. Compared to the the OT, Matthew omits 4 generations in his second set.

That's amazing. I do not believe Matthew is making a mistake. He's doing something very strange here, not just a basic list of heridty. He's skipping generations on purpose, IMO.
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that is something and David did have 19 sons and 1 daughter mentioned and more with others the total isn’t completely known
 
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bojack said:
I still can't understand why God the Father isn't listed '' in both genealogies'', well I can because that would take the personal revelation by the Holy Spirit out of play .. kinda sorta
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God the Father has no beginning and not end. All flesh must be generated.........
 
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JaumeJ said:
God the Father has no beginning and not end. All flesh must be generated.........
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Matthew begins with Abraham, who could not produce a son through his wife Sarah without the LORD granting it - He who generates
 
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bojack said:
I still can't understand why God the Father isn't listed '' in both genealogies'', well I can because that would take the personal revelation by the Holy Spirit out of play .. kinda sorta
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Depends on who you think Jesus is
 
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posthuman said:
see post #24 - why does Matthew choose 14 out of 18 in 1 Chronicles 3?
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Four kings were excluded from Christ's genealogy because of their sins. We should keep in mind that Matthew was only writing what he was given to write by the Holy Spirit. That is what inspiration and divine revelation is all about. Thus Luke's list in total is completely different, and Solomon is also excluded.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Four kings were excluded from Christ's genealogy because of their sins. We should keep in mind that Matthew was only writing what he was given to write by the Holy Spirit. That is what inspiration and divine revelation is all about. Thus Luke's list in total is completely different, and Solomon is also excluded.
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If Solomon is excluded for sin why does Matthew include him?
 
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Marys line in Luke is through Nathan not Solomon
 
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