Prophesying Forbidden

Your answer is ridiculous. Let's try again...

You claim, "Signs are for those who rebel." There were no rebels when Noah and his family got off the ark, yet at that time God gave the sign. Your reasoning is flawed.

God gave Hezekiah a sign in 2 Kings 20; Hezekiah was not a rebel. The Lord promised signs in Isaiah 55; they were not for rebels. God gave Daniel signs in Daniel 4:2; Daniel was not a rebel. God gave the sign of the baby in the manger to the shephers; the shepherds were not rebels.

While many signs were for rebels, not all were. Therefore, saying that "signs are for those who rebel" as though it is always true, is wrong. Please stop making wrong statements.

That isn't in Scripture. You're inventing things again.

As far as footage yes things can be the flesh or a person themselves doing it this is true I think it does happen. However the assumption for some is IF you in sincere in looking for God and the Holy Spirit do you find Him. You get a demon. Is God that kind of Lord to play games like that? Or does His word say those who seek HIM find HIM?.


Could it be just ignorance and no demon at all? Or error in what one was taught? All that is possible and I think does happen however, in every case? When the Bible describe many who fell under the power of God or who could not stand physically.They fell as dead men,

Rev 1:17
John 18:6
1sam 6:20
1king 18:39
Deu 9:18

The idea that Christians who ask for the Holy Spirit and don't know anything about Hinduism find a demon instead ? That is ridiculous.

Well it may seem ridiculous but there are many who think the Toronto so called blessing is the Holy Spirit.

I think maybe it is Christians who are looking for an experience, and are possibly not reading the Bible. Only the Lord knows the heart; but the Word tells us to walk circumspectly and not as fools; it is a light to our path and a lamp to our feet. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
'An adulterous generation seeketh after a sign' and yet signs shall follow true believers (Mark 16 v17-18) and Jesus said we would do greater things than Him, for God's glory.

I do believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today .. I believe supernatural healing happens today by the Holy Spirit ..
I believe denominations/churches were anticipated and are variations of the same body if they preach and center on the gospel and ''born again in Jesus'' .. And we are not to add or take away from the Word of God but to test the spirits by it and to operate within the confines of it period . That does not mean we can't and shouldn't each have individual witness and even supernatural testimony that bears witness to it .. Inspired Word of God simply means the OT and the NT were inspired word for word from God to His chosen to deliver it .. It's enough for us to get to know more and more of the mind of both the Father and the Son, same one God if we search it out .. Those who forbid speaking in tongues are not as bad as those who do but try to intimidate those who do not imo .. Unless that is their soul purpose to break up and forbid it ..
Concerning tongues , If you interpret, or affirm the interpretation all hear the same jumbled message in their ears but in your brain you are spoken to in your language to understand and word for word .. So it doesn't matter if many folks from different languages hear the message the Holy Spirit can speak the same message to their mind , that's the way I figure it . And who would believe that?

Garee.... what are you going to do with 1 Corinthians Chapter 13 and 14?

In 13 it is speaking not as though it has come to pass yet (v12).

Chapter 14 v1 tells us to desire spiritual gifts, preferring us to prophesy.
Your definition of tongues and prophecy is nonsense. Sorry but it is.🙂

1 Corinthians 14 verse 4 speaks about these gifts being for edification. Verse 5 is encouraging believers to speak in tongues and to prophesy. Verses 17 and 18 give further confirmation of this gift.

1 Corinthians 14 verses 13, 27 and 28 are helpful in regard to this🙂

1 Corinthians 14:39:

Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

Faith DOES come by hearing, hearing the Word of God.
Balaam WAS converted to doing right before by hearing the donkey....this is how God chose to speak to him. The donkey was a GOOD thing; intact in Numbers 22 verses 32 & 33, God is so displeased with Balaam for hitting his donkey that He says He ought to kill Balaam and let the donkey live!!🙂

You know Garee, it's all good this, because we are all always learning.... and it's been a blessing to discuss this as it has got me reading my Bible more👍

Yes you are right Butterflyyy .. I wanted to be sure where I stood was clear , sometimes I can't tell exactly where folks stand and I'm far from the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with lol .. And if you defend the gifts there's usually a bigger % will say you don't know what you're talking about or that the gifts have been done away with .. Right or wrong I consider my disadvantage of growing up in a godless home and not much education/reading ability has turned into an advantage for me when it comes to church factions and doctrines .. And if I ever get anything right it is pure glory to Jesus, God Bless ..

Thanks I can try

Donkeys as unclean animals are used to represent unbelief in mankind as natural unredeemed .Ceremonially they were used as a shadow of Christ coming as our suffering redeemer typified as a lamb. If not redeemed the donkey was subject to death. God prophesied through a donkey to show the power of His word the gospel of our salvation.. It prevented the madness of the false prophet from continuing to do what he set out curse Israel .

The gospel hid in the parable below. . . as sign of the firstborn of all the brethren

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

That I believe teaches us to walk by faith and not after what the eyes see .In this case the donkey . In other cases the apostles beautiful feet. . God is simply not served by the hands or will of the creature seen. He can accomplish his goals revealing he is not worshiped by what the eyes see.

Donkey are used that way throughout the Bible as beast of burden moved by the will of God.

When Jesus came riding on a donkey into Jerusalem at the closing of his ministry. Prior to that God gave over to the unbelieving Jew to do what they should not of which was to set up the pagan form of government with kings .The Jews had become jealous of the surroundings pagan nations. That pagan form of government continued until the time of reformation. When the Son of man Jesus the first born came riding in to Jerusalem I believe he was revealing himself as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Again to show the world he is not served by human hands the things seen . It fulfilled the prophecy in Genesis 49 .

This was prior to having kings in Israel .The unbelieving Jew rejected the understanding of the parable below used as a ceremonial law or shadow of the good thing that did come in the fulness of time . .

Genesis 49:10-12 King James Version (KJV) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

The description I believe represents being clothed in the righteousness of God. sort of like that in Revelation 1.

Revelation 1:14-15 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

In that parable above red is used to represent the judgment as to the letter of the law. While white as milk is used to represent purity, wholesomeness of the gospel. Milk representing the word of God teaching us God is gracious . We never out grow that need.

You could say the milk of the word builds strong bones as a foundation of faith

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. Mathew 21: 2-7

Interesting he mentions; "put on their clothes" to represent they have been redeemed by the lamb clothed with His righteousness.

You are starting to sound like a dispensationalist. Chapter 13 looks ahead to future events while chapter 14 speaks to present events. Since chapter 14 the prophecy of chapter 13 has been fulfilled.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well why are they together then??😐
And what makes you think you're so right?
These chapters seem pretty straight forward.

Are you talking about Acts 2 or the gift of interpretation of tongues?

I believe in Acts 2 that the actual languages were coming out of the mouths of the disciples. The passage says those present testified that they heard them speak in their languages, not that they heard the languages but the disciples were not speaking in them--like watching a Kung Fu movie with English dubbing.

I can of at least three accounts for Azusa Street of people present hearing and recognizing their own language and understanding the interpretation. I saw a recording of another testimony about this from that era from a meeting outside of Azusa. A number of Assembies of God missionaries have testified to such events occurring. I know of five people I can think of who can tell of other people having understood them they understood what they spoke in tongues. Make that six if that one missionary is still alive.

I haven't interpreted tongues, but from talking with people, it sounds like it comes the same way a lot of prophecies come, as a message, but one that follows a message in tongues in this case. I know people who experienced hearing a message in tongues, getting the message, but someone else gives it first. Ironically, one of these is a long time friend who has never spoken in tongues himself.

I did not see any evidence in what you posted for donkeys being specifically related to unbelief--that references to them should be seen as a symbol of unbelief. Sure, they are beasts of burden that were unclean for Jews to eat. That doesn't not associate them with unbelief.

You should also consider how your penchant for allegorical interpretation is totally inconsistent with your cessationist position. Some of these allegorical interpretations are so strained that the only reason someone would believe it is if they think the interpreter(s) are moved by the Spirit to know something not actually stated in the text of scripture. That's extraBiblical revelation, and you should consider that such an approarch to interpretation is actually potentially more dangerous to sound doctrine than someone getting a word of knowledge or prophecy about another person's sin or ministry calling.

I would offer the gift of interpretation of tongues is hearing the new tongue, the gospel .Having ones new ears and eyes opened to walk by faith .. The goal of his ministry to bring spiritual understanding to one and take away the understanding that comes from the oral traditions of men . . that add to all things written in the law and the prophets making it without effect.(no understanding from God alone) Turning things upside down. I would offer as indicated in Isiah 29 as it is written below.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest? And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

God not only inspires his word but also gives us the signified understanding hid from the lost

John 9:38-40 King James Version (KJV) And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which (say they) see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

God does not bring prophecy by declaring his will and say go find someone to give their own private idea of what they think the Spirit of Christ is saying.

Rather we walk as two walking in agreement. I think in that way no man can serve two masters . The witness of God is greater than the witness of a corrupted creation.

I would also suggest there is no second guessing God. Nebuchadnezzar found out, God will not share the glory as the teaching master comforter who brings to our mind the things he has shared with us.. when God spoke to him in a dream . There was no man walking that could reveal the prophecy

Daniel 2: 6 But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.

And you would be wrong on at least three counts: first, because spiritual gifts are only given to those who are saved and therefore have already heard and received the gospel; second, because only some believers receive each kind of gift; and third, because the word "interpretation" does not mean "hearing".

the idea that one seeking the Gifts of the Holy is the context of being an adulterous generation is not what that is speaking of. I know the gift are for today. There are this who disagree yet attacking one and trying to suggest everything or not accepting anything that does line up with the Word of God is a bias. 1cor 12 to 14 is the the adulterous generation Jesus was speaking to the unbelievers who asked Jesus for a sign. This who seek the gifts of the Holy Spirt found in 1cor chapters 12 - 14 are not doing so for a sign. I read my Bible everyday and have the Holy Spirit and have spoken in tongues and used in the gift of healing. None of what was done is of the devil. In the same manner no video of error or immaturity discredits the gifts for today because one thinks they have stopped.

I believe the gifts are for today. It seems you have misunderstood what I said.

If God's people are more concerned with the gifts rather than the giver of them, then they are adulterous.