Not By Works

I used to believe the way you do now and it’s a legitimate viewpoint. Jesus acknowledges that everyone will experience doubt; since God understands this full well, I lean on the fact that His grace is sufficient, especially during our times of weakness, regardless of the magnitude of that weakness.

I'm not changing it. The Greek verb tenses and moods means the completed, past action of being made a partaker of Christ with continuing results is conditioned on IF the action of hold fast is done.

The action 'hold fast' determines if you have the results continuing of being made a partaker of Christ. But you have switched it around to mean you 'hold fast' since you have been made a partaker of Christ.

Gotta love society today.. Typing in large letters is perceived as yelling. YALL DONE LOST IT

I will continue typing with LARGE LETTERS if I please and WHAT is anyone gonna do about that HUH?

Yes, Jesus can handle the failure that results from any and all weakness and doubt. What he can't handle is the hard and fast decision to stop believing and trusting in his sacrifice and to never trust again, and the sin that results from that decision. No sacrifice exists to cover that. That's where the grace of God ends.

Not hardly!!

You have no metric from scripture for this assertion... have you ever considered that ... that is a most obvious problem that cannot be addressed by the NOSAS group.

There is nothing in the text that implies the action stops.

Either these Hebrew believers hold fast to the end and demonstrate that they have become partakers of Christ or else they fail to hold fast and demonstrate otherwise. There is no middle ground.

Yes, Jesus can handle the failure that results from any and all weakness and doubt. What he can't handle is the hard and fast decision to stop believing and trusting in his sacrifice and to never trust again, and the sin that results from that decision. No sacrifice exists to cover that. That's where the grace of God ends.

Just don't do it IN WHOLE SENTENCES! Okay?

...I mean...

OKAY?

The verse says what will happen to the action and it's result that is already established IF they don't also have the simple action of having held fast. It will end.



How is this even remotely to be considered to be some great gospel of assurance? You don't even know today if you're believing is for real because tomorrow may show it to have been fake all along. Or is there some caveat in once saved always saved that negates it's own assertion that you know without a doubt that you are really saved without knowing if you'll believe all the way to the end?

And you say 'no middle ground', yet the Galatians and the Corinthians are on record as being real believers, and they stopped believing. But it seems, once again, once saved always saved doctrine will have a way around it's own doctrine that says whoever stops believing never really believed or was saved in the first place.

The difference was in both Saul's case and David's case, they were confronted by a prophet of God. David immediately owned up to it. Saul dodged and squired and tried to find any and every avenue not to accept accountability. That's the difference.

Any doctrine that doesnt fit OSAS becomes a defense of "well he/she wasnt really a believer to start off with" depite dozens of scriptures talking about believers falling away. Its a default protective mode to not accept the truth of this matter.

You didnt answer the question I posed to your original analogy: Here it is again:

OK, working with your analogy, you said both get convicted, both accept Christ, both leave thinking they are saved. Then you proceed into a sanctification role for one of the believers. So here is my question. When did this believer (pursuing sanctification) receive JUSTIFICATION? During the process? Or at the start?

If at the start, then so too should the other believer have been justified when he called upon Christ. Not so?

Here is a FUN exercise:

With the premise that salvation CAN be lost, BE HONEST when reading Hebrews 10:26. It says ONE WILLFUL SIN and its GAME OVER. Pair that up with Hebrews 6:4-6 and you can never get it back. IN OTHER WORDS: 100% of Christians are LOST

So you got two honest answers left:
1. Either no one has ever entered the faith to begin with and Hebrews 10:26 dont apply
2. Everyone done lost their salvation.

I had one family member twist Hebrews 10:26 to say Its like WILLFUL meaning not if you just succumb to temptation, but if you just decide OK I will go and do it right now I dont care, no temptation no nothing.

People gotta twist Hebrews 10:26 a LITTLE BIT if they believe they can lose their salvation and YOU GUYS always quote that as a proof-text so we know you believe thats what it says


IM A WARRIOR

yes I did.

once again, one only gets justified if one truly believes. just because someone professes to believe does NOT mean that they truly believe.

Willfully and continually without seeing the need for repentance. That lifestyle that you left, if you openly embrace it again, no conviction.

That's what OSAS is such a dangerous doctrine, because you empower the flesh, by subconsciously putting it again on the throne. It will not take much for the flesh to deceive you.

See what you did there? You switched it from ONE WILLFUL SIN to "continually without seeing the need for repentance"

YOU WATERED IT DOWN. Just like we do with verses similar to that, we say it means PATTERN or LIFESTYLE of sin and yall scoff at it, yet here you are doing the same.

Lets let it slide i already proved my point and I was right as I always am. NOW: WHAT HAPPENS if someone does go back to that lifestyle, they lose their salvation right? CAN THEY GET IT BACK in light of Heb 6:4-6?

All these problems come from believing in libeterian free will and God not being the author of salvation. I believe GOD SAVES so I dont gotta answer any of these how much sin is too much or any of these trick questions. God will make sure His sheep persevere

So there is a secondary step being implied then..... (remember you said both went away believing they were saved).

See what you did there? You switched it from ONE WILLFUL SIN to "continually without seeing the need for repentance"

YOU WATERED IT DOWN. Just like we do with verses similar to that, we say it means PATTERN or LIFESTYLE of sin and yall scoff at it, yet here you are doing the same.

Lets let it slide i already proved my point and I was right as I always am. NOW: WHAT HAPPENS if someone does go back to that lifestyle, they lose their salvation right? CAN THEY GET IT BACK in light of Heb 6:4-6?

All these problems come from believing in libeterian free will and God not being the author of salvation. I believe GOD SAVES so I dont gotta answer any of these how much sin is too much or any of these trick questions. God will make sure His sheep persevere

Yes they disregard the obvious and make it far more complicated and conflate to make it fit their wrong doctrine.
Sea Perch aka PS?