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If you abide in Christ and His Rest then you will be given the promise of the Spirit that fulfills the righteousness of the law.

Without Christ there is no hope.


If you include this then I absolutely agree with your statement.

It's important to remember this fact when we get caught up with arguing what we have to do and what we don't have to do.

Each church, each denomination, probably each individual, seems to think there are different things required in order to "walk" with God. Or be "in fellowship".

We should remember that these people we disagree with are probably children of God just like we are, even though they don't understand God the same way we do.

I believe God has precious children in every denomination. (Even SDA's...) Even though we fight amongst ourselves...

It's nice when people understand where I am coming from and what I mean.... Same thing happened to me when I told my SDA friends that I was going to marry Tourist because he was raised Catholic.....they worried because he is not SDA member....

I said to my friend that Tourist has repented accepted Jesus as his Savior and desires that everyone be saved. What more does he need to do? They had no answer. We have been married 5 years now and still love each other and God have our devotions every day and pray together.

I too believe there are only two groups of people saved and unsaved. There is no denomination name attached to that. God knows His sheep and they hear His voice.

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But I think we differ when it comes to the Sabbath day, if I am correct you do not believe it has to be kept, but I do. I decide to look into some verse and this is what I came up...

Matthew 11:28-30, 12:1 says, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Right after that Yeshua went on the Sabbath day through corn.

These verses are talking about the soul of a person having rest, nothing to do with removing the Sabbath, the Sabbath is the specific day God gave man to keep it holy, in other word it is reflecting more on an up keeping of a day, which is what Exodus 20 is implying. In addition, though we are to rest the seventh day, in Exodus 20 the emphasis is to keep holy the specific day of the LORD. What it does say is what God did in six days and what he did the seventh day and that day should be kept holy.

Mark 2:27 says, “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." The question one has to ask, why was it made for man? Answer, for man to keep it holy! Man is resting from 6 days work and the day he is resting he is told to keep holy that specific day God man to rest.

Exodus 23:12 says, "six days thou shalt do thy work, and the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the strangers, may be refreshed." He did not say rest in a person, he said to keep it holy.

Exodus 33:14 says, "God answered Moses's prayer... my presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest". This insinuates that God is given rest outside the day he said to keep holy. So, resting in Yeshua does not mean that we do away with the specific day God gave us to keep holy.

Hebrews 4: 9-11 says, "there remained therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into God's rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his".

In conclusion, THE SABBATH DAY WAS NEVER DONE AWAY WITH.

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So, you believe that a person who denies the deity of Yeshua and say he is a created being is saved as long as he believe in Yeshua? If yes, show me Scriptures.

Hard to answer for a religion I know little about. But the way you have worded your question is also not what I said. I said if someone has repented and accepted Jesus as their Savior trying to spread the gospel. What else do they need to do to be saved?

Romans 10:9-10 9If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is LORD," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Romans 10:13 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

John 3:16 16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Acts 16:30-31 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31They replied, "Believe in the LORD Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household."

Acts 3:19 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the LORD,

Acts 2:38 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible shortens it to believe and be saved.

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What does Mathews 7:22,23 mean to you... Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

A lesson to be learned, you cannot put verses out of Scriptures to fit your view or to make it what you want it to mean. The Scriptures has to be taken as a whole.

Though there are other Scriptures I can give you, I am only giving you Mathews 7:22,23, please explain.

I'm treading carefully here, but I think if a person genuinely can't grasp the deity of Christ they are not sinning the unforgivable sin:

"32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven" - Matthew 12:32

It's speaking against the testimony of the Spirit regarding his role in salvation that can not be forgiven.

The same reason many of us celebrate a new year in the dead of winter and hibernation instead of during the spring time and renewal.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Before church was separated from the state it was conformed enough to the state. Most of us now go along to get along.

That may be the reason why most Christians do not keep the old covenant Sabbath. But there are us Christians who know we don't have to because we have been brought near to God through the new and better and perfect and never ending way of Christ's body. We don't need to do something in the old covenant to accomplish what God has already permanently done for us through the New Covenant way of faith in Christ.

We've already been brought into Sabbath Rest through Christ, so there's no reason to seek to be in a Sabbath Rest that we are already in by keeping the old covenant Sabbath requirement.

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You have to read verse 31, key word is shall be forgiven, when is the shall, when one confess their sins (John 1:9). Now, let's go to what Yeshua said in verse 32... if one speakeths against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him, why because John 1:9 reflects on it.

In Galatians 1:9 the Apostle Paul says, as we said before, so say I now again, "if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (under a cursed, doomed)," just like some were teaching in those day, other than believing one had to be circumcised as well to be saved.

I know you made it clear that you have to be be careful here, JW's, Mormoms the deny the deity of Yeshua, they have another gospel, are they save, remember that they came they believe in Yeshua. Again, one cannot pull verses to suit their view, I am not saying you did because you spoke being caution in your statement.

In Galatians it is speaking about another Gospel, not that it is another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. If one said that to be saved one must believe and be circumcised is that not perverted the Gospel? There are wolves in sheep clothing who deliberately pervert the Gospelof Christ, making it appear to be true to mislead them so that they can be led to where they themselves are going, eternal damnation.

1. Showing appreciation is showing sincerity and love which encompasses one of the First and Greatest Commandments.
2. Dismissing the Sabbath as an old covenant antiquated ritual seems disingenuous to the laws and the prophets of who Christ was one also.

The following verses come to mind but speaking in general terms and not towards you directly.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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3. Sun day worship seems to be many modern day Christians keeping the sabbath on their own terms instead of the appointed times: This Seem to be a lack of respect, fear, love, etc.

To my knowledge doing good works of The Father or resting from servantile work, burdens, and stresses seem to be appropriated on the seventh day of the week as a memorial to Creation and Appreciation of The Works of The Father.

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

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Christ fulfilled the law of not committing adultery but that should not mean that the law of not committing adultery is destroyed; Christ fulfilled the law of keeping the sabbath but that should not mean that the law of not keeping the sabbath is destroyed.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Paul kept the sabbath and was also a follower of Christ who kept the sabbath.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

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Apologies I can get long winded.

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Let me add the following...

Matthew 11:28-30, 12:1 says, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Right after that Yeshua went on the Sabbath day through corn.

Matthew 11:28-30 is talking about the soul of a person having rest, nothing to do with removing the Sabbath, the Sabbath is the specific day God gave man to keep it holy, in other word it is reflecting more on an up keeping of a day, which is what Exodus 20 is implying. In addition, though we are to rest the seventh day, in Exodus 20 the emphasis is to keep holy the specific day of the LORD. What it does say is what God did in six days and what he did the seventh day and that day should be kept holy.

Mark 2:27 says, “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." The question one has to ask, why was it made for man? Answer, for man to keep it holy! Man is resting from 6 days work and the day he is resting he is told to keep holy that specific day God made to rest.

Exodus 23:12 says, "six days thou shalt do thy work, and the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the strangers, may be refreshed." He did not say rest in a person, he said to keep it holy.

Exodus 33:14 says, "God answered Moses's prayer... my presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest". This insinuates that God is given rest outside the day he said to keep holy. So, resting in Yeshua does not mean that we do away with the specific day God gave us to keep holy. When Yeshua said, I am the Lord of the Sabbath he was bringing man to Exodus 20, because the Sabbath is of the LORD. Isn't he Lord?

Hebrews 4: 9-11 says, "there remained therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into God's rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his". It is all about resting and keep God's specific day holy.

In conclusion, THE SABBATH DAY WAS NEVER DONE AWAY WITH, our Christian brethren were taught this, this teaching became scales in their eyes which is why they cannot see the truth of God's word that the Sabbath day is not removed and should be kept holy, but they are still my brethren in Yeshua, the Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation.

Read the book of Hebrews over about three times, carefully.

It's very important that you answer this question with a simple yes or no: Do you believe that works literally earn salvation?

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Does not matter if you read the book of Hebrews three times, show me from the Scriptures the main verse that tell us that the Sabbath day is done away with.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

I believe their is no salvation for those who profess themselves to be wise or mature in the faith yet preach faithless works "dead works". The reason I believe their is no salvation is because faithless works is not the will of the Heavenly Father but works of iniquity.


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

I am looking at the volume of the book and bigger picture but you rather me focus on Salvation.

Salvation is as Oxygen. That's a given. Once I get my requirements of "faith / water", along with "works/ food" then all will be well with me.

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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If the Law is still to be worked at, as you are trying to show, then the WHOLE Law is still in effect.

Not one jot or tittle would fall from the law until ALL was fulfilled.

So, to say that the Sabbath is still to be kept in a carnal way, the way the Jews did, is to say that NONE of the Law was fulfilled.


So the Christian must choose.

1) Rest in Christ and being Gods Workmanship

or

2) Work at the Law and being their own workmanship


A lot of people have chose the same way you have. They don't believe that Christ did what He said He would do. They don't believe that Christ can give what He said He could give.

For some weird reason they would rather work at the law then come to Christ and receive Rest, Righteousness, Wisdom, Sanctification.


The Law was never done away. It was fulfilled in Christ. Only Christ can set us free from the Law. Nobody can set their own self free. So to insist on keeping some parts of the law you are saying that Christ failed in that area. Of course He did NOT fail. The only failure is on the part of the individual and their belief (unbelief).

It is just as ridiculous to say Sabbath was not fulfilled in Christ as it is to say sacrificing bulls and goats was not fulfilled in Christ. But for some reason not everyone gets it. Or maybe they just don't want to.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


I suppose you can't really understand these scriptures until you have come to Christ and received Rest. You'll probably twist it all to mean "except a saturday sabbath" like you have already attempted.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

It appears from this verse that you aren't allowed to cherry pick your favorite laws. If you are going to pick your favorite law to work at then you must pick up the Whole Book of the Law and do all of them.

Did you already know that?

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As I previously stated, grace it the way to God and Salvation is the gift of God, while the law is a walk with God and has nothing to do with Salvation. The law has to do with obedience to God, for example, if you refrain from committing adultery you are obedient to God's law, nothing to do with Salvation.

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The law has to do with obedience to God and has nothing to do with works and when you understand this then you will understand what some of us are trying to convey according to the Scriptures.

The Apostle Paul is talking to those who were corrupting the Gospel of Salvation, those were saying that you have to keep the law and believe to be saved. But, when one is saved he becomes obedient to the law of God. The Scriptures tell us that the law of God are PERFECT, converting the soul. If they are perfect then why would God do away with them? He won't, it is people who corrupts the word of God because they try to interpret the Scriptures, instead of allowing the Spirit of God to teach them.

You are to stuck with what you heard all your life, I myself was taught that the Ten Commandments and the laws were done away with and after doing my own research I concluded that the law is not done away with, but that some Yeshua did fulfilled.
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, yes, because as I stated, they made the law part of Salvation, the Apostle Paul is not dismissing the law. Read the first part of Galatians 3:10 carefully and compare the second part to Deuteronomy 27:26 where it says, cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. In Deuteronomy it appears to mean that if you do not the things of the law you are cursed. Look what Deuteronomy 28:15 says, but it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee. This has to do with obedience and remember the gift of God was not yet give as it is shown in the New Testament.

Look what Genesis 26:5 says about Abraham who by faith was justified... God said, Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. This implies that one can believe while observing the laws. Wouldn't you agree from this verse after you read it that it is possible to observe the law of God while being justified by faith alone apart from the law?

No one is cherry picking because there are some things that Yeshua fulfill, like the atonement, he did it once and for law, therefore, there is no need for animal sacrifices.