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Grandpa, were you the one that stated that Yeshua had corruptible flesh? If so, you were completely wrong to make such a blasphemous statement and if that is not what you meant then you need to go back and correct it.
No. I briefly read about someone in this thread stating that. But like everything else we are discussing no one seems to see it from the same angle.

How come when I type angle to fast it comes out as angel? But when I type angel too fast it comes out as angle? Should I think of the other word when I try to type the real one? I'll try it next time and see.

Angle. Nope, didn't work.
 

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If they kept the Sabbath prior to Yeshua, why do you think it is impossible today. Give me one answer instead writing a book.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on The Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Even when Sabbatarians today set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath" as it was kept under the law? To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required today, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath under the law is still in affect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? Churches that teach Sabbath keeping today? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

The Word of God makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
 

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No one keeps the Sabbath day. Except in the imagination of their own mind.

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

So, once again, you have a choice. Rest in Christ. Or work at the law.
Working at the law is not of faith.
Only Resting in Christ is of faith.
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Grandpa, you stated the above and I will respond...

If they kept the Sabbath prior to Yeshua, why do you think it is impossible today. Give me one answer instead writing a book. I know many like you that love to write books in their response.

You are corrupt about Romans and you can see it in Acts 15, that is not stating that the law is done away with. The Scriptures tell us that if walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law. Do you agree with this verse in the Scriptures? If so, then your argument fails, if no, the you are disagree with Scriptures. All you do is throw Scriptures, you are so set in your mind that you will not fairly weigh what it is posted.

You said, so, once again, you have a choice. Rest in Christ. Or work at the law. I will take this that you are lawless. Read the Epistle of James carefully, and we all know that the law is not of faith that not an excuse to trash the law, and that is what you are doing trashing the law.

You need to reading tell God to remove the scales you have in your eyes.
They didn't keep Sabbath, ever.

Read this again, slower;

Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Why not?

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Working at the law DOES NOT MEAN keeping the law.

NOT WORKING AT THE LAW does not mean NOT keeping the law.

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

The "Gentiles" did not work at the law but they attained to the Righteousness that is described in the law.

Legalists, Judaizers and workers for salvation can't understand this. It is not given to them to understand. (2 Cor 3:13-15)


Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


These fruit are NOT produced by working at the law. And if the law is not broken then it is.... kept.

Which of those fruit would be resting every saturday? None. Righteousness is not achieved by resting on saturday. Nor does NOT resting on Saturdays make one Un-righteous.
 

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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on The Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Even when Sabbatarians today set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath" as it was kept under the law? To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required today, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath under the law is still in affect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? Churches that teach Sabbath keeping today? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

The Word of God makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
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Why do everyone have to write a book for a simple question?

The covenant that God made with Israel were never broken. The Apostle Paul made it clean when it comes to the Gentiles except it be for the four things he stated and it was fine for the Spirit, but as the Spirit of Got teaches they would learn that the Sabbath is to be kept, remember that the Gentile believers become of the commonwealth of Israel when they accept Yeshua, so they should partake of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath are part of the Ten Commandent, it was the law God gave and the Scriptures tells us that the law of God is Perfect and bless is the man to meditate on them day and night, which as nothing to do with working, but all with obedience to God who gave them. If Yeshua was able to keep them, if the Apostles and the disciples continued to keep them how can you conclude that they are done away with. I am not talking about laws of sacrifice, I am talking about the Ten Commandment.

You are correct about the everlasting covenant, but don't you think once you realize that once the Gentiles believers become part of the commonwealth of Israel they should partake of the Sabbath?

Do you know that Abraham who walked by faith, kept God's commandmants, charges, ordinances, statutes and law? So, if he was able being justified by faith when not Christian believers can't?
 

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They didn't keep Sabbath, ever.

Read this again, slower;

Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Why not?

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Working at the law DOES NOT MEAN keeping the law.

NOT WORKING AT THE LAW does not mean NOT keeping the law.

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

The "Gentiles" did not work at the law but they attained to the Righteousness that is described in the law.

Legalists, Judaizers and workers for salvation can't understand this. It is not given to them to understand. (2 Cor 3:13-15)


Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


These fruit are NOT produced by working at the law. And if the law is not broken then it is.... kept.

Which of those fruit would be resting every saturday? None. Righteousness is not achieved by resting on saturday. Nor does NOT resting on Saturdays make one Un-righteous.
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grandpa, you are not weighing the Scriptures fairly, didn't God said to Israel you have forgotten the Sabbath, meaning they were keeping it? If those who did not keep it were stones, would not that state that those who were not stoned did keep them, yes or no?

What the fruit of the Spirit has to do with the Sabbath?

I have a question to ask you, do you believe and accept the replacement theology view, yes or no?

PLEASE DO NOT WRITE A BOOK, I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE THAT BELIEVES IN VIEW WILL ALWAYS WRITE A BOOK, SOMETIMES IT APPEARS THEY DO THIS TO IMPRESS. I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE ONE OF THEM.

So, please be brief.
 

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Why do everyone have to write a book for a simple question?
Oh, come on. That wasn't too long. ;)

The covenant that God made with Israel were never broken. The Apostle Paul made it clean when it comes to the Gentiles except it be for the four things he stated and it was fine for the Spirit, but as the Spirit of Got teaches they would learn that the Sabbath is to be kept, remember that the Gentile believers become of the commonwealth of Israel when they accept Yeshua, so they should partake of the Sabbath.
Some people have a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. Hebrews 8:13 - In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us. (John 13:34) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) References for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The Sabbath are part of the Ten Commandent, it was the law God gave and the Scriptures tells us that the law of God is Perfect and bless is the man to meditate on them day and night, which as nothing to do with working, but all with obedience to God who gave them. If Yeshua was able to keep them, if the Apostles and the disciples continued to keep them how can you conclude that they are done away with. I am not talking about laws of sacrifice, I am talking about the Ten Commandment.
2 Corinthians 3:6-9 - He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenantnot of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

You are correct about the everlasting covenant, but don't you think once you realize that once the Gentiles believers become part of the commonwealth of Israel they should partake of the Sabbath?
Why should the Church under the new covenant partake of a covenant with Israel under the law when the Sabbath was a shadow of what is to come but the substance belongs to Christ?

Do you know that Abraham who walked by faith, kept God's commandmants, charges, ordinances, statutes and law? So, if he was able being justified by faith when not Christian believers can't?
Which commandments? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings - Genesis 4:3-4, Altars - Genesis 8:20, Priests - Genesis 14:18, Tithes - Genesis 14:20, Circumcision - Genesis 17:10 and Marriage - Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

*Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
 

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Why do everyone have to write a book for a simple question?

The covenant that God made with Israel were never broken.
Israel broke the covenant. We've been over this already.
 
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Its so weird that legalists always try to make Resting in Christ mean working at the law. Resting in Christ is NOT working at the law. All you have to do is read the New Testament a few times to find out.
I'm not defending the literal keeping of the ceremonial laws of the OT, but the New Testament does say to make every EFFORT to enter God's Rest...

"anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience." - Hebrews 4:10-11

This Calvinistic automatic believing and obedience is a crock of :poop:.
 

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Oh, come on. That wasn't too long. ;)

Some people have a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. Hebrews 8:13 - In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us. (John 13:34) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) References for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

2 Corinthians 3:6-9 - He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenantnot of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

Why should the Church under the new covenant partake of a covenant with Israel under the law when the Sabbath was a shadow of what is to come but the substance belongs to Christ?

Which commandments? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings - Genesis 4:3-4, Altars - Genesis 8:20, Priests - Genesis 14:18, Tithes - Genesis 14:20, Circumcision - Genesis 17:10 and Marriage - Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

*Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
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Read Jeremiah carefully because the Scriptures is clear that God does not alter, nor break his covenant. In Jeremiah 31, God spoke through the mouth of Jeremiahs and said, I will make (not replace) a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the one he did with their fathers.

With there fathers he wrote it on tablets of stone and with house of Israel and the house of Judah was to store the laws in their mind and written in there heart. Doesn't it say that he will store them within? The New Testament confirms it. Yeshua took the cause of the law to the cross and not the law.

God said, he will make new covenant, not replace!
 

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Israel broke the covenant. We've been over this already.
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You are correct, we when through this before, but I do read and respond accordingly when people write.

I just responded to mailmandan the following in response to his post...

Read Jeremiah carefully because the Scriptures is clear that God does not alter, nor break his covenant. In Jeremiah 31, God spoke through the mouth of Jeremiahs and said, I will make (not replace) a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the one he did with their fathers.

With there fathers he wrote it on tablets of stone and with house of Israel and the house of Judah was to store the laws in their mind and written in there heart. Doesn't it say that he will store them within? The New Testament confirms it. Yeshua took the cause of the law to the cross and not the law.

God said, he will make new covenant, not replace!
 

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I commend you for what you wrote in the above, but you still did not answer the question... Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The reason this question was ask was because you stated that JW's and Mormons as long as they believe will entire the kingdom of God. Unless, now you accept the truth of the Scriptures that one indulging in a false doctrine are not saved. Why do people leave those false doctrines, becoming true Christian? They had a heart for God and God made sure to pull them away.
If one is a true seeker of God then Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Each of us are going though this process even JW. It is up to each individual to work out their relationship with God - you nor I can answer for them they will have to answer for themselves as you answer for you and I answer for me when it comes to our relationship with God.

Main difference I can see between the two of us is that you are ready to condemn and I'm not ready to as I don't know their heart and their desire to reconcile with God. I can only answer for me and no one else.

As stated before if I am talking with someone and we have a difference of belief I listen to theirs and will state this is where our beliefs differ and state what I believe. My job is to plant a seed of truth it is the Holy Spirits job to make that seed take root and grow. I refuse to browbeat someone into having to believe the way I do. Not my job. My instructed job is to Love God with all my heart and to love my neighbor as myself.

I understand that we aren't perfect here and that mercy is needed and patience and to watch as God helps the truth grow as people accept the truth a process between humans and God. Some of us take longer than others.
 

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I'm not defending the literal keeping of the ceremonial laws of the OT, but the New Testament does say to make every EFFORT to enter God's Rest...

"anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience." - Hebrews 4:10-11

This Calvinistic automatic believing and obedience is a crock of :poop:.
Yes. So does every effort to enter Gods Rest mean work really hard at the law?

Or is it more likely to mean to believe that Christ can give us Rest from our work at the law?

Hebrews 4:2-3
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

What causes someone to NOT enter into Gods Rest?

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
 

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Please correct me... according to what I am reading you are stating that one does not have to keep the Sabbath day, is that correct?
Jesus is our Sabbath rest. We do not work at keeping the law (which was not even given to us) to be saved.

Those not found in Him at the end of this age will die.

Believers are covered by HIS righteous blood, shed for us, those who
accept His sacrifice on our behalf, due to His great love for us.

Many of our friends here, has not been divinely impressed yet of the true sabbath and we cannot blame them.

God is longsuffering, gentle and not willing that any such perish. Until every individual on earth has been divinely impressed on the true sabbath and understand it significance. Everybody will make a decide to follow God fully or reject.


2 Peter 3:9 :)
 

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grandpa, you are not weighing the Scriptures fairly, didn't God said to Israel you have forgotten the Sabbath, meaning they were keeping it? If those who did not keep it were stones, would not that state that those who were not stoned did keep them, yes or no?

What the fruit of the Spirit has to do with the Sabbath?

I have a question to ask you, do you believe and accept the replacement theology view, yes or no?

PLEASE DO NOT WRITE A BOOK, I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE THAT BELIEVES IN VIEW WILL ALWAYS WRITE A BOOK, SOMETIMES IT APPEARS THEY DO THIS TO IMPRESS. I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE ONE OF THEM.

So, please be brief.
Yes. Rest in Christ has replaced working at the law.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


That better Hope being Rest in Christ and RECEIVING Righteousness, Salvation, Sanctification as Gods Gift.

Rather than working at the law and attempting to earn blessing from God, or even worse calling it "obedience" to God.
 

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thank @TheLearner too, who posted them and graciously permitted me to reblog :)
Okay... thank you @TheLearner :D

When I saw they would not transfer except as an image link (you must have loaded them to CC directly from your computer/e-device?), I saved them to my laptop and re-sized them for the boards (under 1 MB)… please excuse me for doing so :) I also reduced the chroma/saturation of the very yellow one to make it more neutral, like a black & white print :giggle:
 

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When I saw they would not transfer except as an image link (you must have loaded them to CC directly from your computer/e-device?), I saved them to my laptop and re-sized them for the boards (under 1 MB)… please excuse me for doing so :) I also reduced the chroma/saturation of the very yellow one to make it more neutral, like a black & white print :giggle:
yes, i snagged to my laptop & re-uploaded. i always hesitate to post linked images because i never know if the hosting site will stay up, so i host them here, that way they never end up as dead links unless this site's own server changes. :giggle:
aren't these cool?? :love:
 
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So does every effort to enter Gods Rest mean work really hard at the law?
Read the passage.
It means make every effort to live in obedience.
To whatever extent that means obeying what is written in the law in this New Covenant, do it.
There is no rest outside of obedience to God.
Faith is the lever that makes the heavy weight of obedience light.
But somehow faith has now become a license to excuse oneself from obedience because "salvation is not by works, and you can't lose your salvation anyway."

Or is it more likely to mean to believe that Christ can give us Rest from our work at the law?
The rest that God gives is rest from the task master of sin, not rest from some perceived task master of obedience.
It's YOUR work that you rest from, not works of obedience.