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Pisteuo

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Thank you so much... have done a few cruises ..am thinking more of a land tour this time....but I will definitely do some research.... sounds wonderful!
Still waiting for you to explain how choosing to believe is not an act or work done by your own will.
 
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Salvation isnt given to us because of our good deeds. Salvation isnt kept by our good deeds, but salvation produces good deeds.

Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits
 

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Being born is not an act of Faith by the baby.

Really bad analogy.
Whether we are born of the flesh, or born of the Spirit, we need to have total faith in those on whom we depend for our life.
 
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Pisteuo

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Believe what you will, not interested in doing the same ole song and dance... the "Cotton Eyed Joe" gets boring after awhile.
And that would mean your understanding is incorrect and you have no way out.

Now is the point where you listen and learn!
 
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Pisteuo

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Whether we are born of the flesh, or born of the Spirit, we need to have total faith in those on whom we depend for our life.
Could you please explain exactly what your understanding of that " total Faith" is?
 
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Jesus lived under the law but why does Jesus still before resurrection change the law? He was supposed to fulfill it

like this:
"Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.'


thats what the torah states in deuteronomy leviticus and many places. sometimes God even says make an oath in LORD's name only in Deuteronomy 6:13. so why does Jesus change it to:

"But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne;"....

why does it change before resurrection of Jesus where new covenant comes? its almost like rebuking God. of course Jesus has power to change the law i got no problem with it, its just timing that concern me because it says new covenant begins when Jesus resurrects, but here this is said when Jesus is still not died and resurrected yet.
Hope this helps...

But I say unto you, swear not at all,.... Which must not be understood in the strictest sense, as though it was not lawful to take an oath upon any occasion, in an affair of moment, in a solemn serious manner, and in the name of God; which may be safely done: but of rash swearing, about trivial matters, and by the creatures; as appears by what follows,
neither by heaven; which is directly contrary to the Jewish canons (m), which say,

"they that swear "by heaven", and by earth, are free.''

Upon the words in Sol 2:7, "I adjure you", &c. it is asked n),

"by what does she adjure them? R. Eliezer says, by the heavens, and by the earth; by the hosts, the host above, and the host below.''

So Philo the Jew says (o) that the most high and ancient cause need not to be immediately mentioned in swearing; but the "earth", the sun, the stars, "heaven", and the whole world. So R. Aben Ezra, and R. David Kimchi, explain Amos 4:2. "The Lord God hath sworn by his holiness"; that is, say they, "by heaven": which may be thought to justify them, in this form of swearing; though they did not look upon it as a binding oath, and therefore if broken they were not criminal (p).

"He that swears by heaven, and by the earth, and by the sun, and the like; though his intention is nothing less than to him that created them, this is no oath.''

The reason why it is forbidden by Christ to swear by heaven, is,

for it is God's throne; referring to Isaiah 66:1 where he sits, the glory of his majesty shines forth, and is itself glorious and excellent, and not to be mentioned in a vain way; and especially, for the reason Christ elsewhere gives, Matthew 23:22 that "he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon"; so that they doubly sinned, first, by openly swearing by that which is God's creature; and then, by tacitly bringing God into their rash and vain oaths.

(m) Misn. Shebuot, c. 4. sect. 13. n) Shirhashirim Rabba, fol. 10. 4. (o) De Special. leg. p 770. (p) Maimon. Hilch. Shebuot, c. 12. sect. 3.

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EleventhHour

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Such fun.
Me and the wife been doing that since our last one which was the first.

I can't wait for our next one.
Will probably be 2021.
I am very happy for you and your wife...cruises are fun and relaxing for sure and have their advantages.

However a land tour gives more direct experience of the culture ... but can be exhausting... maybe I need to do both ..:unsure:
 

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Still waiting for you to explain how choosing to believe is not an act or work done by your own will.
Having faith, perhaps in a doctor for example, is something we have, it is something we possess. It is not something we do.

We go to the doctor in the example, in faith believing, It is the doctor who does the operation, not our faith.

However, our faith in God may motivate us to work for Him, and if it does, then that is the outward evidence of our inner, invisible faith.

I hope this helps.
 

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Could you please explain exactly what your understanding of that " total Faith" is?
See #120,494.

Added, when you so trust someone, you put your life in their hands.
 
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EleventhHour

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Resident gentle soul?

Thank you.

I've had a few PM's and comments from people that I make them vomit, pushover and wishy washy.
That is horrible.... I know you defend the Gospel.... and we each have our own personalities ...and God uses each of us in different ways.