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Judges1318 said:
Maybe I am. That had occurred to me.
Because I think most people do avoid this thread like the plague.
And not because there's honest, calm discussion here, but because there is a lot of narcissistic abuse going on here towards people who dare to have a different view of scriptures than they.
It does seem to be controlled by a handful of people who are protecting their territory.

Here, this may be helpful for some people here:
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Look in the mirror.

your one of those people who are narcissistic in your abuse to people who disagree with you,
 
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Judges1318 said:
...or righteous living for that matter.
We've fallen a loooooong way from Christ.
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True belief = righteous living. Cannot be divorced from one another. Sanctification is part of the plan.
2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
 
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Amen to what @Hevosmies said here:
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This is why people say OSAS = defending sin. You just said "what he stated is not false".... Disgusting.

I would like to point out: What EleventhHour stated here IS NOT the historical position of PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS the Reformed believe. [ @DoY ]
This is something NEW and WEIRD where you can sin and be ok as you just said "what he stated is not false". WOW!

Thats called ANTINOMIANISM. No good, no go. You're doing us all a DISSERVICE with this. Also you cant EVER again say that "you are twisting my words" or "we didnt say that" because you did now. THE CAT is out the bag. All the accusations were TRUE by your own admission. NOT A SMART MOVE.

I would like to highlight to everyone that this is NOT what the Reformed believe. Reformed also you could say calvinist or whatever you want to label it, im talking about the reformation, Luther, Calvin, you name the Reformer or Church that believed in eternal security in the past, NONE OF THEM believed in this type of lawless no transformation powerless Gospel.

The position they held was that: GOD Justifies a person, and then God also SANCTIFIES the person. Today the sanctification part seems to be "MAY OR MAY NOT occur" instead of WILL 100% occur cause God will do it:

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Fruit WILL COME not MAYBE come.
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Chris1975 said:
EleventhHour doesnt believe that continual faith is necessary. So a major disconnect there.
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Nope

she like all true believers believe that real,faith saves, and real faith never dies it may fade but will never die
 
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Chris1975 said:
One where you believe in Jesus and never stop believing in Him. For if you stop then you are Apostate.
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They change it to "For if you stop then you were always Apostate".
Well, I mean that version of once saved always saved that says that, lol.
Which has fewer and fewer numbers with each passing year.
 
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Judges1318 said:
...or righteous living for that matter.
We've fallen a loooooong way from Christ.
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HAHAHHHA YOU got that right WE'VE <---You, Chris, Stillness etc.....NONE of you by dogma KNOW JESUS.....get that through your head....IF you think you keep yourself saved YOU do not trust JESUS pal.........
 
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Judges1318 said:
BIG TIME!
I'm normally hesitant to think that I'm in the pivotal days of the end because so many generations before us have thought that and were wrong, but, honestly, I'm thinking more and more that we're right in it, now. So many things are lining up with prophecy. The great falling away, the distress of the nations, wars and rumors of war, the push for global unity, the push back against it, the rise (again?) of socialism (the beast out of the sea with the head with the fatal wound healed?).

I know people think I and others are just here to argue and win fights, but actually, honest to God truth is I'm here to warn as many people as possible that they need to be prepared to stand before Jesus, and these various doctrines of once saved always saved, especially the one that says you don't have to continue to believe, aren't going to prepare a person to see Jesus face to face. They will only deceive a person into thinking they are ready.
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Amen brother. “We will all be made manifest before the judgement seat of Christ. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we pursuade men.”

So many have not received the love of the Truth so as to be saved. But instead have taken pleasure in unrighteousness. But everyone who names the name of the Lord must abstain from unrighteousness. “Touch no unclean thing and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you and you will be My sons and daughters.”

Having these promises let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminated body and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

So many here think they will be made manifest before Him for their reward but horror will overwhelm them instead for it’s not the Gospel of the Kingdom that they have received.

Don’t let the turkeys get you down. It’s not flesh and blood we are fighting.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope

she like all true believers believe that real,faith saves, and real faith never dies it may fade but will never die
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Boy... do they like to twist and mangle... once Jesus lives in us He never departs ... it is not my brain power/will that keeps Him there... they create a very false Saviour and Lord
 
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Chris1975 said:
Continual belief is not required if you have already believed. E-G also said the same in a post. Discern is not on the same page though on this one.
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Look.. I know you like to play word salad games.. what is continual belief... define it?
 
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A Not Often quoted part of scripture. But look at the gems.

For those who say obedience is not a requirement under the NT.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

For those who say we no longer heed or uphold the commandments, Jesus says LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.

Romans 3v31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
 
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