Not By Works

AMEN Brother and an in depth study of Jeremiah 50-51 along with the blended aspect of 3 chapters in Isaiah, Daniel, Habakkuk, Ezekiel and the 1st HINT in Psalm 137 along with Revelation, reveals the destruction of the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS, the LADY of the KINGDOM which has 80 characteristics and a 10.5 billion to 1 which nation it is when the MATH is done.

A coalition of the ABOVE THREE is what BRINGS the HAMMER of the whole earth to HER KNEES, a NATION with NO FEAR of INVASION is decimated in ONE hour and then actively invaded and EVER one found is thrust through with weapons that causes the people to EXPLODE into fragments and pieces....the INITIAL strike comes from...

THENCE and from the NORTH from between the BLACK AND CASPIAN seas.....and the destruction of HER YOUNG MEN OF WAR that remain in the BASES and forbear to fight is described as thus...

FROM under the SHADOW of a cloud
WITH the tempest of a STORM
that causes the GROUND to undulate and quake
Is heard AROUND the world
BURNS cities with fire and makes them UNINHABITABLE
KILLS ALL her young men of war in 1 HOUR

AND NONE of HER LOVERS (allies) HELP due to the FEAR of her TORMENT

Amazing how many adamantly oppose these truths and argue against these facts without actually spending the YEARS it takes to dig all of this out and study all the VERBIAGE and the characteristics of the nation described........

I did above.

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This is not the definition of belief/faith according to scripture.

Please go ahead and define it according to scripture....

Modern Christianity says, 'Yes'.

Maybe we could have some here explain that scripture then.....

That would be interesting.

Google search?

I believe we have had this conversation may times... sigh

Let me put it to you this way...

If what someone is "believing" in Jesus for is not "guaranteed eternal security" then what is the purpose of their faith? Are they saved by grace after all that they can do? Is perseverance in faithfulness and obedience required? What are they believing in Christ for? If it is not for eternal security than WHAT KIND OF SALVATION IS IT?

Christ asks us to believe something very specific about Him: that He guarantees one's eternal salvation when they take Him at His word concerning such.

And think on this since you really have yet to grasp scriptural truth.....

If someone is believing in Christ for anything else but "eternal security", what exactly are they believing in Him for?

.....A may-be entrance into the kingdom if they persevere in obedience?

........A hope-so, cross your fingers, tap your toes and wish upon a falling star conditional salvation?

And what are the conditional aspects?

1) the fickleness of the Savior,
or 2) the works of the 'believer'

Take your choice both are wrong according to scripture.

remember that looking with lust is also adultery. hate in heart. sins go deeper than just actions

And one more thing...

Saving faith in Christ is not ambiguous, it has specific content.
What we are to trust Christ for is...
......the guaranteed present possession of eternal life.

So where does that leave you I wonder?

Your focus is entirely wrong. In fact almost ALL of us here on this forum have it entirely wrong. LISTEN UP ALL OF US (OSAS AND NOSAS). We get so wrapped up in salvation (We/Us focused) that we forget why God first put man in the Garden. Why God delivered Israel from Egypt. It is to Worship Him (not worship as we have defined it in the Western church). Jesus said to the Devil in the Wilderness: Matthew 4v10 ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”

What does worship mean:

Strongs:
Word: proskunew
Pronounce: pros-koo-neh'-o
Strongs Number: G4352
Orig: from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship. G4314
Use: TDNT-6:758,948 Verb
Heb Strong: H2111 H3766 H5401 H5456 H5647 H7812

1. 1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
   2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
   3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
   3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
   3a1) to the Jewish high priests
   3a2) to God
   3a3) to Christ
   3a4) to heavenly beings
   3a5) to demons

So here we are arguing about the basics (thats really what this endless arguing is over - the basics Hebrews 6v1). All of this is still in the US/WE/OUR Zone. How do WE get to heaven. With very little consideration for true worship (in Spirit and Truth). Look through the list above. He called out a people for this reason. So how do you HONOUR God in your everyday life. Is your daily walk representative of WORSHIP, or is it a legal contract demanding he grant you access through the pearly gates because of His promises.

A time for all of us to reflect.

I know they always want to frame the argument their way .. but we cannot fall into their trap.. their false accusations are meaningless .. like lawlessness.... we preach Saved by grace through faith apart from works... a completely free gift end of story.

The preach law and a fickle Saviour

Shame on them

Gotcha cornered eh?

Switching topics.. so now we are onto worship when we were talking about belief

Okay I am with @eternally-gratefull you do not want the Gospel...
Done for now

Not really. You could not post any scriptures. I thought I would give you a break instead of pressing you.

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