Jonah Died and went to Hell

I think what we're encountering is a cross between their Catholic belief and something else.
The Catechism of the RCC says Jesus descended into Hell.
Even though they also teach that the Jonah story means , when speaking of the belly of the whale, that Jonah actually died and descended into Sheol.

https://rogerbookbloggster.blogspot.com/2017/02/i-thought-of-how-often-i-hear-people.html
"...In Jonah 2:2 we read:

2: "And he said, "I called out of my distress to the Lord, and he answered me. I cried for help from THE BELLY OF SHEOL. You heard my voice."

The reason why so many people fail to see the context of what REALLY happened is because they see the word "BELLY" and think that is the whole story. They do not understand that Jonah was dead, and that he called out from SHEOL

After you see that Jonah was dead in the belly of the whale, and that his soul had departed from his body and went to the place of the dead, the whale went up and vomited Jonah onto the beach. Then, a LITERAL resurrection of Jonah took place. "

He gets a few things right but gets some major things wrong. Here is the proof:

NOTICE: This is long before the Day of the Lord. It is in fact still in Abrahams Bosom (before Christ's ascension)

Luke 16
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’


>This above is not the lake of Fire (that is after the Day of the Lord arrives)
>This above is Hell (Hades)
>100% proof. The video is wrong.

Very "catchy" title. You are quite a fisherman It definitely caught my eye. I never thought of it that way. I guess I had always pictured it as a Condo-Fish, like in 'Pinnochio'. I think I will re-read the opening chapters with this new view in mind. Godspeed.

That was vey punny of you.

"If Jonah didn't die Jesus didn't die" poppycock, Jesus said no sign will be given except the sign of Jonah is symbolism. The word sign is your clue.
And you don't get to make stuff up adhock.

And it's a dangerous doctrine to create that a man can call out to God in repentance after he has died, and subsequently be brought back to life.

Jesus would be creating a false narrative if that were possible when he spoke the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

Then there is 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and Hebrews 9,

ok so that's all folks,

Do you want me to show you that He went to Sheol/Hades, not to Hell the Lake of Fire? BIG DIFFERENCE.


Psa 16:10 - For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; H7585 neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The KJV translates Strong's H7585 in the following manner: grave (31x), hell (31x), pit (3x).
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
   1. the underworld
   2. Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
      1. place of no return
      2. without praise of God
      3. wicked sent there for punishment
      4. righteous not abandoned to it
      5. of the place of exile (fig)
      6. of extreme degradation in sin

Strong’s Definitions
שְׁאוֹל shᵉʼôwl, sheh-ole'; or שְׁאֹל shᵉʼôl; from H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates:—grave, hell, pit.

I already gave you the evidence. The Greek word for Hell is "Gehenna" so here is the proof that Hell (Gehenna) is the Lake of Fire.

MARK 9
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell [GEHENNA], into the fire that never shall be quenched: [EVERLASTING FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS]
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell [GEHENNA], into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell [GEHENNA] fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Psalm 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].

Jonah didn't die. If he died he wouldn't be able to pray to God and be Saved.

Psalm 40:1-4
1 I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.
2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.
3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.
4 Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

David wasn't dead and then brought back to life here.

He was given sight as to where his spirit was at during Salvation.

Same as Jonah.

Not the same as Jonah at all.
Psalm 40 is David's lament, petition to God, and his offering of thanksgiving.

Whereas Jonah, in Hebrew translates to, dove, was dead in the belly of the whale and while there entered Sheol.
The Book of Psalms 139 tells us God is in Sheol. We cannot escape God's presence. Jonah then while in Sheol could lament as to his poor decision that got him to where he was in that time, and God would most certainly have heard him.

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The belly of the fish and the belly of sheol are commonly believed to be speaking of
one and the same location. However, the Hebrew words are different.

The belly of the fish is me`ah (may-aw') which is always used in the plural because it
usually speaks of bowels.

The belly of sheol is beten (beh'-ten) which basically speaks of nondescript voids and/or
hollows.

Beten is applicable to a variety of voids and hollows; but me` ah is specifically bowels.

If we can safely assume that sheol is an actual void located down deep in the Earth like
Jonah says it is instead of the tummy of a fish, then we can safely assume that people
are fully conscious down there because Jonah says that God heard him praying in
sheol.

If true; that would be a crushing disappointment for the Jehovah's Witnesses who go
door to door all 'round the world telling people that human life is entirely physical, viz:
the Witnesses say that when people die they cease to exist. (cf. post No.3)
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They also do not believe Jesus was divine, and that His second coming has already happened as a spiritual event occurring in 1914.

Jonah wasn't dead but he was in Sheol.

Same as David.

A person doesn't have to be dead to be saved from the Pit.

Jonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.

Psalm 40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.


This is describing the same place and subsequent Salvation. Neither of these people were dead when they saw this place.

The KJV links them all together. The new versions are softer on the issue. People may not like the word hell, but it's hell.

Is not sheol the realm of the dead? I'm pretty sure David died.

The prayer of chapter 2 came after the 3 days. Jonah had been delivered and yet, he was still in the whale's belly. What gives?

False, a sign you take literally. Are you saying Jonah is a fairy tale? The Lord didn't think so.

The key to understanding makes the idea of hell as suffering after one is dead without effect a dead doctrine . Where and when or how it ran off the road as hell a living suffering .Who knows, the dead know nothing, feel nothing and can do nothing.(no spirit)

Purgatory is a Catholic doctrine.

The Jonah account and the account of Jesus who began the three days of suffering unto death .(not dead) is in respect to the "reason of suffering" a living sacrifice. God cannot die. They are parallel parables that reveal the unseen spiritual understanding hid in both parables ..

Three times by the "reason of suffering" the pang of hell they cried out as the Holy Spirit worked in them strengthen them both to finish the work . The last sign as a wonder.

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV)Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

The first work of the father and Son was to put the diciples to sleep .to make sure none of the work was attributed to them. No support in prayer He woke them up when finished the work of the belly of the whale "hell". Spit Jonas on dry ground when he was finished after the third time.

Exceeding sorrowful, by reason of suffering even unto death the pangs of hell (not dead) .

Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 40-44

Three was the number goal .It denotes the end of a matter.

Wrong, hell is a place of suffering for the dead. The body is dead but the soul is alive and can feel. See the rich man and Lazarus. In hell the rich man's soul was burning and he could feel it.