When God slays, is that immoral? Dr Frank Turek answers

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Aerials1978

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I very much enjoy watching Dr.Turek gives lectures and Q&A on college campus and other venues. One of the most topics brought up is morality. In particular is when people ask if God is immoral when He had killed humans. This can range from Noah’s flood to the destruction of the Canaanites. Turek gives some of the best responses to this question that is asked quite often.


Do you agree with Dr. Turek?
 

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I very much enjoy watching Dr.Turek gives lectures and Q&A on college campus and other venues. One of the most topics brought up is morality. In particular is when people ask if God is immoral when He had killed humans. This can range from Noah’s flood to the destruction of the Canaanites. Turek gives some of the best responses to this question that is asked quite often.


Do you agree with Dr. Turek?
All one needs is an understanding of the promised seed found in Genesis 3:15. Since that point, Satan has attacked the seed line and God has protected the seed line. God uses any means necessary to protect the seed line, to keep His promise.
 

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Well, at least he said in the first video that 9 of the 10 commandments still apply to the Christian today. Except for the Sabbath, because Jesus is our Sabbath rest. He missed the point on that one but, he answered like most theologians and lay Christians do.

In the second video, young Nathanial is clueless. Especially about Stalin.
 

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Well, at least he said in the first video that 9 of the 10 commandments still apply to the Christian today. Except for the Sabbath, because Jesus is our Sabbath rest. He missed the point on that one but, he answered like most theologians and lay Christians do.

In the second video, young Nathanial is clueless. Especially about Stalin.
That he was. It’s the moral relativism notion that a lot of college age students(And adults) have. The idea that we belong to a God who created us are we are accountable to him is unappealing.This of course can change when life throws us a curve ball.
 

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Jesus has never said "I am your Sabbath." He did say if we come to Him insstead of the Pharisees He would give us rest, but this is not the Sabbath.

No where in the Word does the Sabbath of God appear as being deleted by any other than men...………..We worship our Father 24/7 BUT THE SEVENTH DAY HAS NOT Been changed or replaced…….
 

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Jesus has never said "I am your Sabbath." He did say if we come to Him insstead of the Pharisees He would give us rest, but this is not the Sabbath.

No where in the Word does the Sabbath of God appear as being deleted by any other than men...………..We worship our Father 24/7 BUT THE SEVENTH DAY HAS NOT Been changed or replaced…….
We as Christians are not commanded to keep the Sabbath Holy.
 

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That he was. It’s the moral relativism notion that a lot of college age students(And adults) have. The idea that we belong to a God who created us are we are accountable to him is unappealing.This of course can change when life throws us a curve ball.
True.
The atheist in the second video , did you notice, wasn't too keen on saying he'd actually read the book if Dr.Turek gave it to him.
What about all that altruism and learning from each other stuff he was saying prior? ;)
Dr.Turek knew he was an atheist from how he addressed his questions. Poor boy has not a clue. And he's in college.


It is sad that today most colleges and universities are imprinting a Liberal ideology into their students. Makes one wonder what the future holds once they graduate and likely have an impact on our lives when we get to senior status.
 
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JOHN 14:15.
If you love ME, keep MY Commandments.

ISA. 66:23.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith The LORD.
 

Aerials1978

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JOHN 14:15.
If you love ME, keep MY Commandments.

ISA. 66:23.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith The LORD.
You have to take the context in which both Jesus and Isaiah were speaking. Where in the New Covenant are we called to keep the Sabbath Day? Also, wouldn’t it blasphemous to change the Sabbath day in terms of the Jewish calendar?
 
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JER. 31:33.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith The LORD,
I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.
HEB. 8:10.
For this is the Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith The Lord;
I will put My Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
 

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JER. 31:33.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith The LORD,
I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.
HEB. 8:10.
For this is the Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith The Lord;
I will put My Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
Where in the NT does it state specifically to keep the Sabbath? Also, where did God give the commandment to change it?
 
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MATT. 5:17-18.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
 

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MATT. 5:17-18.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mark 2:27
 
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I very much enjoy watching Dr.Turek gives lectures and Q&A on college campus and other venues. One of the most topics brought up is morality. In particular is when people ask if God is immoral when He had killed humans. This can range from Noah’s flood to the destruction of the Canaanites. Turek gives some of the best responses to this question that is asked quite often.

Do you agree with Dr. Turek?
Luk 1:78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
Luk 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

2Sa 24:10 And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.
2Sa 24:14 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.
2Sa 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.

God is a merciful God that allows both the righteous and wicked to enjoy the things of the earth, food, clothing, and shelter, and is more merciful than people who want to blame God for being immoral when people have been warring on earth, and hurting, and killing people in the name of selfishness and greed, and to control other people.

People are cruel, not God, and the truth that everything that God did in the Old Testament was all for the benefit of people to protect them, and see they knew the truth.

God had to protect Israel for if He did not she would of been wiped out, and perverted from the truth with no return if on their own, and Jesus was coming through the nation of Israel which is the benefit of the world.

People will war against other nations to protect their nation and people, but if God does it to protect His nation and people some people will say God is immoral.

When it came to other nations God would go against them, or allow other nations to go against them if they were too big and had a negative impact on people, hurting people, killing people, and spreading their perverted religion too far.

Everything God did was for the benefit and protection of people, and God puts down a thousand to save ten thousand, and He did not go against people for no reason, and said He winked at their ignorance in the Old Testament.

God would protect Israel, and would allow the collapse of nations and kingdoms if they had a negative impact on many people because everything God did was for the benefit and protection of people.

If God did not intervene in the Old Testament, and allow the cruelty, and perversion to be taken down if it got too big more people would of been hurt, killed, and perverted from the truth.

If a son was walking with his dad in the park and a man ran up on the son to stab him and the dad put him down would the son say dad you are cruel or would he say thank you dad for saving my life.

If God protects and preserves life from those that became great as a nation or kingdom that have a negative impact on people to their hurt and God intervenes to stop it why would people say God is immoral when He is doing it all for the benefit and protection of people.

If God was going against people for the sake of going against people because of their sins whether they went against people or not then what Gentile nation would be left, so obviously God only intervened to stop their cruelty and perversion that was having a negative impact on many people.

We all know God will judge all people but in the Old Testament God would judge right on earth, and we know that we will not live forever in the flesh so they would perish eventually, but God put them down for a reason because they had a negative impact on many people that they went against to put down and control, and rule over them and take their land.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Except for Noah and his family the rest of the world was continually wicked, and God's ways were corrupted on earth, and the earth was filled with violence, which nobody cared about God and His ways, and only went by their own ways and imagination, and in that state all they was doing is hurting each other, and no one would ever be in a position to be saved, so it was over for them so God put an end to it for all they would do is continue on that way hurting each other and ignoring God and His ways, and no one could be saved.

The same with Sodom and Gomorrah that they would not change and there was none righteous to be found there but the whole city was in one accord concerning the homosexual act with the two men, and they did not care about the poor and needy, and were lazy, and they had a negative impact on people and God did not want that to spread out to influence other nations, or their cruelty and lack of love towards other people so God overthrew the cities.
 
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Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mark 2:27
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did you stop being a man???
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MATT. 5:18.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
JOHN 14:15.
If you love Me, keep My Commandments. = (This is Jesus Christ speaking HERE) -HELLO!!!
 

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did you stop being a man???
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MATT. 5:18.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
JOHN 14:15.
If you love Me, keep My Commandments. = (This is Jesus Christ speaking HERE) -HELLO!!!
Didn’t Jesus fulfill the law by His life? And were did Jesus or any Apostle command to keep the Sabbath? I will continue to wait.
 
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here is what happens to those who don't obey or observe Yeshua's ways =
1JOHN 2:4.
He that says, I know Him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
again,
MATT. 5:18.
For verily I say unto you, (((Till heaven and earth pass))), one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law,
till all be fulfilled.
 

Aerials1978

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here is what happens to those who don't obey or observe Yeshua's ways =
1JOHN 2:4.
He that says, I know Him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
again,
MATT. 5:18.
For verily I say unto you, (((Till heaven and earth pass))), one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law,
till all be fulfilled.
What did say Jesus with regards to keeping his commands? Also, you keep referring back to Matthew 5:18 indicate that Jesus is stating to keep the Sabbath. I would recommend the link below to give a better understanding of this verse:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/born-of-God.html
 

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We as Christians are not commanded to keep the Sabbath Holy.
Yes it says that very clearly in Romans 14, that to the one that finds the day holy, go for it, to him that doesn't , don't, but let each be fully convicted in His own mind. Do all to the glory of our God.

4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God in Romans.
 
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the scripture says, 'What do I do to inherit 'eternal-life'???
MATT. 19:16.
And, behold, one came and said unto Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
MATT. 19:17.
And He said unto him, Why call you Me good? there is none good but One, that is, God: but if you will enter into (life),
(((keep the Commandments))).

WHY would we ask a 'man' to give us an understanding, when we have Yeshua and His Holy scriptures to give us
give us understanding of His Ways???
as it is written,
'Should we obey God or man'???