Not By Works

Which was beyond scripture?

A. A professed Christian living in sin? no

B. A person who thinks they’re saved and not? No

C. Eternal security? No

So what exactly did I add to the Bible?

Nothing.

Not judging anyone. No one is on trial here. Do I need to remind you about what YOU said about what saved people do not do?

I have more than one. But we’ve already discussed the difference between besetting sin and what John said about a lifestyle of sin. You and I were in agreement about what the apostle John said about Christians and sin. Remember?

I say I am not offended by you not taking the time to answer someone other than myself, though expected you to be a bit more willing for discussion.


You then suggest I may be offended by scripture.....




Then you act as if I didn't understand a verse and was seeking you for help.

You surely haven't spoken for the Lord here.

That was all fleshly and void of truth, patience, love, desire to help.....


Just subtle digs and the sidestepping of what was said.


Questionable behavior for a man your age who professes Christ.




Oyster.... I don't want to argue.... but do you see what I see from this back and forth?

Were you not being dishonest but only confused by the way I worded things?


Often when people ... who hold your position argue with me they do similar things...



1. Create strawmen. - Form a position similar in wording but different in nature than what I hold to prove wrong then act as if they proved the position I hold wrong.


2. Create a false accusation or narrative to gain a form of moral or intellectual high ground then use that untruth to try and act as if regardless of what my point was it is invalid because A) I am "immoral" via the false accusation or B) Because they have already "shown" their "intellectual" / "moral" superiority I should automatically agree with their position.


3. Throw out random out of context verses and side step main points using vague descriptions to never get caught in a corner.



All three of these sorts often twist words....



I saw these responses from you contain some of those dishonest tactics.

But I would also say if you were simply confused it is possible to make those false claims you made against me.




(sorry for the repost)

Who am I judging? I said this was about how we examine OURSELVES.

Was it you that said this? Read the underlined parts.

Calvinism? I actually didn't know that.
So, Eternal security as in knowing when we get saved by Jesus, no matter what we do, we go to heaven in the end?

Those who are saved...no longer live in sin.

Even a baby cannot live on sin.

That's what you said, not me, Eternally-grateful.

Yes, you explained it very well. And, I absolutely agree..

What about the verse in the Bible where Jesus says in Matthew 24:13 that "But he shall who endure to the end shall be saved?"

Does that still highlight OSAS?

Honestly, Once Saves, Always Saved...does confuse me a little bit🤔

I thought it was a thread about salvation. Not of Works would mean that the thread is not about works.

And I haven't said anything about sanctification.

calvinism is a denomination


eternal security is a belief that God keeps those He has saved already

many denominations believe in eternal security which arent calvinist

just like many people believe in works salvation or adding the works of men to what Jesus did and arent catholic or JWs


his statement is factually incorrect and he said sorry

Sin is an issue in that those who are born again do not practice sin. YOU said "those who have seen God or know God do not sin (as in practice) and you also said that a person who is born again does not live in sin. YOUR WORDS.

Is the New Birth and knowing God a salvation issue?

This is descriptive of one who is already God's child.

Where as "those who go out from us" would be descriptive of one who was never born again even if before man they appeared to be "in Christ"

(wheat among the tares, goat among the sheep)

If that person KNOWS GOD. IF that person has been born again. If that person has been saved.

And you have said that people that fit this description do not continue, abide, practice sin, did you not?

If I LEAVE my wife, and start having multiple partners and continue in that way for the rest of my life, IS IT POSSIBLE that I was never saved, that I was a professer but not a possesser of eternal life?

No one's judging anyone. I am applying the question to myself.

YES or NO?

Not a problem, remember the thief on the cross? Perhaps we should all repent on our deathbed for sins committed after we are saved?

A clear hypothetical to illustrate an answer is far different some nebulous situation that has no answer.

Then answer it yourself.

The reason youre facing issues in this is your mentality is far from Gods....


You keep looking to actions and not talking at all about the state of the heart of the person who is failing.

You then add time periods and big words to act as if 10 sins would disqualify someone more than 1 or that deed would disqualify someone more than thought to take your point to the extreme.


In reality

God's child who fails DOES not want to sin. If they are sinning they DESIRE righteousness. To sin as God's child, once or 100 times or 70 x 7 times would be a failure. Not a practice.

A child of Gods walk before man CAN show maturity IN CHRIST via the power of Christ working in them.

This is a useful son/daughter.

A child of Gods walk can also show IMMATURITY IN CHRIST via their flesh which would not show MAN anything other than this person should not be an example or put in a position of spiritual authority over anyone.

You might be considered licentious? Curtains for those who live that lifestyle?

This is one of my problems with OSAS. It is not a licence to live in sin.