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Hello posthuman!

I created the following document some time ago with all of the scriptures which directly or indirectly proclaim Jesus as being God.

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Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Immanuel means “God with us.”)

Isaiah.9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21-23 - She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” -- Which means, “God with us.” (Isaiah 7:14)

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:18 – No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

John 5:17-18 - Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 6:16-18 - Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:56-59 – “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old, “the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Note: The reason that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus was because he used the name that God had given Moses by which God was to be remembered throughout all generations as the, I am. See the following Scripture:

Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your fathers has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I am has sent me to you.”

John 10:29-33 - My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rom.9:5 - Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 - Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2:5-7 - Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Col.1:13-18 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Titus 2:13 - While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Heb.1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note: The verse below is as spoken by the Father regarding His Son, Jesus Christ:

Heb.1:8-11 - But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

2 Peter.1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.

I John 5:20 - We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-- even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the [true God] and eternal life.

Revelation 1:17 - When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

Revelation 2:1 - These are the words of the First and the Last, who died and returned to life.

Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Just to refer to your first verse: do you know what "Emanuel" in Isa 8:8 means?

Isa 9:6. Do you know what multiple meaning word has been rendered as God? Do you have any of the OT prior justification for such rendering?

I do not refer to the NT because one has to read the prophets first to know what they say.

There is no OT text stating that Jesus (or the Holy Spirit for that matter) is God.

Some mal-translations like Isa 9:6 appear to provide some traction to the pagan styled and pagan enforced "Trinity God".

Besides, hundreds of fool-proof NT verses like Jn 17:3, 1Cor8^ or opening of every epistle make the "Trinity God" theology impossible.
 

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Let me ask some more.

If a mindless animal, a snake, was "manipulated" by a supernatural power to make Eve to sin, would it be proper for God to punish it?

Or, if God punished the supernatural power, is it possible that "it" appeared before God again like in the book of Job?

Please read the Bible carefully. God has told us very clearly on many occasions from different perspectives about most important aspects pertaining to His plan of salvation.
It appears that you are now making assumptions. Obviously scripture speaks of Satan and fallen angels. I have no idea where you got this doctrine that you are adhering to. It’s completely un-Biblical. Jesus drove out demons, the disciples drove out demons. Satan actually tempted Jesus with audible words. The book of Revelation is littered with scripture of Satan, demons, the Beast and the False Prophet, the lake is fire.
 

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I have no theological position.
I have the Word of God.
I can quote them for you but assume that you are Bible literate.
I have reformatted my PC just recently and have to re-install my files so sometimes I refer to the verses which I suppose you know well.
No you're insulting me by calling me Bible literate which is untrue given my responses. All you have done is given your opinions. Nothing more. Also, being pompous about doesn’t improve your true lack of understanding and or discernment.
 

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Just to refer to your first verse: do you know what "Emanuel" in Isa 8:8 means?
Yes, I know what Immanuel means "God with us," which also listed in the post.

There is no OT text stating that Jesus (or the Holy Spirit for that matter) is God.
Then you simply did not read my listing of everywhere that Jesus is referred to as God.

I would suggest that you go back and read all of the scriptures that I provided that refer to Jesus as being God.

Blessings!
 

Aerials1978

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A specific verse for....????
Nowhere in the book of Job God states that satan is a fallen angel.

So please consider what really God says to us and who that "satan" was.

If you argue that satan, a fallen angel, stood before God than was "he"rehabilitated? If so then when?

Please consider that if the Jews had an argument they had to stand before God...and so on.
Yes, Satan speaks with God. He spoke to Jesus. Jesus called him the Father of lies. In Job God ask where Satan is coming from? He said roaming to and from the Earth. Revaluation states that he and 1/3 of the angles were cast to the Earth. It also states he accuses the brothers and sisters day and night before God. I don’t see how there can be any misinterpretation of any of that?
 
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It appears that you are now making assumptions. Obviously scripture speaks of Satan and fallen angels. I have no idea where you got this doctrine that you are adhering to. It’s completely un-Biblical. Jesus drove out demons, the disciples drove out demons. Satan actually tempted Jesus with audible words. The book of Revelation is littered with scripture of Satan, demons, the Beast and the False Prophet, the lake is fire.
Let's bring that OT verses stating that satan is a fallen angel, please.
 

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Let's bring that OT verses stating that satan is a fallen angel, please.
So you don’t believe the NT? Can only the OT verify the NT in with regards to Satan? Isaiah 14:12-15. Now tell me how that’s a misinterpretation and refers to a Earthy King. I’ve heard that before.
 
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Yes, I know what Immanuel means "God with us," which also listed in the post.



Then you simply did not read my listing of everywhere that Jesus is referred to as God.

I would suggest that you go back and read all of the scriptures that I provided that refer to Jesus as being God.

Blessings!
"Theos" is a multiple meaning word. It has to be rendered based upon of the immediate or expanded Biblical context.

Jesus, unfortunately makes it impossible. So do the NT writers.

None of the prophets gives even slightest indication (besides some of the mal-translations like Isa 9:6).

So please don't accuse me.
Perhaps look-up original words used and their meanings at the time of writing (not after the theology was enforced and attempts were made to provide "proof".

Anyway, you are trying to prove that Jesus and the NT writers aren't credible like in Jn 17:3, 1Cor 8:6 or in hundreds of fool-proof texts like thanksgiving in opening of the epistles.
 
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No you're insulting me by calling me Bible literate which is untrue given my responses. All you have done is given your opinions. Nothing more. Also, being pompous about doesn’t improve your true lack of understanding and or discernment.
Hey Aerial

Are you sure I am insulting you by calling you "Bible literate"?

And how I am being pompous?

Please be considerate or I will not respond to your posts.
 
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Yes, I know what Immanuel means "God with us," which also listed in the post.



Then you simply did not read my listing of everywhere that Jesus is referred to as God.

I would suggest that you go back and read all of the scriptures that I provided that refer to Jesus as being God.

Blessings!
Then, could you, please tell us what "Emmanuel" in Isa 8:8 means?
 
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Yes, Satan speaks with God. He spoke to Jesus. Jesus called him the Father of lies. In Job God ask where Satan is coming from? He said roaming to and from the Earth. Revaluation states that he and 1/3 of the angles were cast to the Earth. It also states he accuses the brothers and sisters day and night before God. I don’t see how there can be any misinterpretation of any of that?
Well, well, well.

We still don't know that satan is a fallen angel, do we Aerials?

Do you know why out of the 27 times the word satan appears in the OT only few of them are translated but the rest just transliterated?

And what is Re 12:9 you are referring to tell us about in the beginning?
 
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So you don’t believe the NT? Can only the OT verify the NT in with regards to Satan? Isaiah 14:12-15. Now tell me how that’s a misinterpretation and refers to a Earthy King. I’ve heard that before.
Please quote that text and underlay the phrase in which God lets us know that He is speaking about a fallen angel satan.

I suppose you just assumed that because God has never said that there exists a fallen angel satan.
 
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So you don’t believe the NT? Can only the OT verify the NT in with regards to Satan? Isaiah 14:12-15. Now tell me how that’s a misinterpretation and refers to a Earthy King. I’ve heard that before.
It is not true, Aerials. I believe in all what God has delivered to us.

Unfortunately, I don't believe in pagan styled/enforced stories.
 
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Well, well, well.

We still don't know that satan is a fallen angel, do we Aerials?

Do you know why out of the 27 times the word satan appears in the OT only few of them are translated but the rest just transliterated?

And what is Re 12:9 you are referring to telling us about in the beginning?
 
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So you don’t believe the NT? Can only the OT verify the NT in with regards to Satan? Isaiah 14:12-15. Now tell me how that’s a misinterpretation and refers to a Earthy King. I’ve heard that before.
Isa 14 contains prophecy of the king of Babylon because God says so. If you don't believe God than you may have a problem.
 
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Yes, Satan speaks with God. He spoke to Jesus. Jesus called him the Father of lies. In Job God ask where Satan is coming from? He said roaming to and from the Earth. Revaluation states that he and 1/3 of the angles were cast to the Earth. It also states he accuses the brothers and sisters day and night before God. I don’t see how there can be any misinterpretation of any of that?
OK. Concerning the temptation. Please consider:

1. Jesus was aware of the prophecies.
2. He was without food for 40 days (and nights).
3. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you begin questioning the prophets or justifying taking advantage of the prophecies?

Please consider Jam 1:14-15 and Ro 7: 12-25.
 
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I’m not sure what you mean by carnal? Just for clarification, can the devil only attack through idol worship? I just want to make I know where you stand on the issue.
Everything bad that happens is Satan doing his job.
 

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Well, well, well.

We still don't know that satan is a fallen angel, do we Aerials?

Do you know why out of the 27 times the word satan appears in the OT only few of them are translated but the rest just transliterated?

And what is Re 12:9 you are referring to tell us about in the beginning?
LOL! This actually quite amusing. Tell me what source you are using to say these are transliterated. And why only those ones(Unfortunately you didn’t give a specific number or scriptural reference).

As for Revaluation, it’s scripture that has both eschatology and past events. Are saying the battle in Heaven was merely an allegory? If so, again what is the source material you are using to come to that conclusion?
 

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It is not true, Aerials. I believe in all what God has delivered to us.

Unfortunately, I don't believe in pagan styled/enforced stories.
So why believe anything the Bible states? What’s your standard of determination?