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Grandpa said:
If there is a commandment and YOU do it how is that NOT working at it?

The commandment requires you to Love God. If you try really hard to love God aren't you working at that law?


Can you show where you answered these questions and DID NOT avoid these questions?

Because I can show you exactly where you didn't answer these questions but DID avoid them.
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Good at all the email I sent you and read carefully.

If I am loving God it is because I am being obedient to his commandment which he gave us. I am not working, I am putting his commandment into practice. If I did not answer is not that I avoided you question, I am flooded with post. eternal-gratitude said the same that I avoided his questions, I do not recall him sending me that or I could have honestly missed that post, but I answered him. I have sent him something to read and to respond and he still hasn't, but I am responding to everything he is sending.
 
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Please carefully read what I said, if obedience to the law results in a blessing and disobedient results in a curse, what did Yeshua take to the cross, the blessing and the curse, or just the curse. If just the curse and we both agree with that, what happens to the blessing is that dissolved? You do not have to respond, you can answer that to yourself.
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Please ready carefull what I said

YOU CAN NOT OBAY THE LAW AS REQUIRED

thats what moses was trying to tell you

you obey God by doing what Jesus said, LOVE.

you need to be following the law of love not the law of moses,
 
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Who said I am going to the law of sin and death, is the law of sin and death the same law of the blessing? Again, the curse of the last Yeshua took it to the cross, I am redeemed from the curse because of Yeshua in my life, but if there is blessings in obedience let be me obedient, not that I am looking for blessing, that is a promise God gave and he does not break his promises.
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You do every time you insist we use the ten commands as a means of obedience

the ten commands, written on stone Is the ministration of death!
 
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I read everything everyone post and respond accordingly, but those who don't respond is because it will backfire on them.

Question and it is about my 10th time, you have not responded to the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshuah, why?
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You have responded accordingly at 5% of the time

all the rest your saying to listen to you, which we have, even telling you what you are saying. And you insist we do not know
 
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Here is a blessing from the Ten commandments... Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Read Psalms 1

Grandpa, you have been impressed with a view that is not scriptural which is blinding you causing you to right things that backfires.
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How long?
Besides death...what are the curses of the law?
And what are the blessings...can u give at least 5 of each?
 
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So, your God lied and you can trash the book up Psalms in your bible because you do not believe that the laws bring blessing. Meditate on Psalms 1 and you will learn from it.

True that without Yeshua we can do nothing, but with him we can right? So, why can't you be obedient to the law of God? See, you are blinded with your view that it is causing you to make statements that is backfiring. So, before you make a statement make sure it does not backfire.
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Nope

My God said the truth

here are ten commands,

i Am going to use these to prove to you you can not even follow these ten, let alone the thousands of actual commands if I gave you every list would take

since you can not obey these ten, get on your knees and call out to me like the tax collector.
 
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watcher2013 said:
How long?
Besides death...what are the curses of the law?
And what are the blessings...can u give at least 5 of each?
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There is only one curse

death

cursed is the one who does not obey every word

its not a hard concept to understand

if you break one command, your done,

why they can not see is beyond me
 
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Good at all the email I sent you and read carefully.
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there you go again, listen to you and we will understand

WE KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE

how often do we have to prove this to you?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
There is only one curse

death

cursed is the one who does not obey every word

its not a hard concept to understand

if you break one command, your done,

why they can not see is beyond me
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Maybe sundiwn know more curses and blessings...lets wait for his response?
 
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watcher2013 said:
How long?
Besides death...what are the curses of the law?
And what are the blessings...can u give at least 5 of each?
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Even though the curse of the law brings the death and judgement here are five that
brings a curse on earth...

Adultery (divorce & destruction of a family, distrust)
Stealing (imprisonment)
False Witnesses (lawsuits and imprisonment)
Murder (imprisonment)
Covet (hatred, enemies,)

I can continue adding to what the above bring.

As for Blessings,

Psalms 1 is referring to the law and says it all ... whatever he doing he shall prosper (I thing this is a fair response because it says it all whatever you do you shall prosper.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Maybe sundiwn know more curses and blessings...lets wait for his response?
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The breaking of the law is sin, sin brings death. On earth, disobedient to the law brings consequences; You commit adultery and what happens? destruction of family. You steal and what happens? Imprisonment. On earth, wasn't Yeshua judged according to the law?If he would have been found guilty according to the law then they had reasons to imprison him, right? But he kept the law, therefore, they could not throw the law at him and in Yeshua the law can be kept if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
there you go again, listen to you and we will understand

WE KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE

how often do we have to prove this to you?
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Is not about you knowing what I believe, I have to repeat myself because you continue to ask me over and over and over the same question in another way, it appears as you have a probably with reading comprehension and I am not saying this in a disrespectful manner and the word "appears" is not conclusion so don't take it personal.

I am not asking for any of you to prove anything to me, just stop asking the same question. Not to mention, I asked you about 14 times to read the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua... WHY HAVEN"T YOU RESPONDED? ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND? ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS UNDERSTANDING THAT CHAPTER?

Again, WHY HAVEN'T YOU RESPONDED?

Even though I want a response, I will discontinue responding to you, as I said, you appear to have a reading comprehension problem, unless it is reason why you do not respond. So respectfully and honor my wish do not respond to any of my post you are not understanding anything I am posting.

God bless you!
 
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watcher2013 said:
Maybe sundiwn know more curses and blessings...lets wait for his response?
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I responded to you! But I had it with eternal-gratefull, I think he as a problem with really comprehension, or he is not reading what I am posting, or his view in not allowing him to understand what I am writing. I am not here to change his mind and that is not my job, I just put it on the table. He just continues to repeat himself over and over and over again in another form. What I should have don't is copy and past my response to him.
 
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Even though the curse of the law brings the death and judgement here are five that
brings a curse on earth...

Adultery (divorce & destruction of a family, distrust)
Stealing (imprisonment)
False Witnesses (lawsuits and imprisonment)
Murder (imprisonment)
Covet (hatred, enemies,)

I can continue adding to what the above bring.

As for Blessings,

Psalms 1 is referring to the law and says it all ... whatever he doing he shall prosper (I thing this is a fair response because it says it all whatever you do you shall prosper.
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The 5 curses you listed are penalties even in a non torah believers...
Do you mean all those who are not in prison, not broken family...are torah followers?
And psalams 1 in general is comparison between ungodly to godly.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Maybe sundiwn know more curses and blessings...lets wait for his response?
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Blessing is not the issue

theissue is what IS the curse

if everyone is cursed because they fail at the law

then how can anyone follow the law

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Is not about you knowing what I believe, I have to repeat myself because you continue to ask me over and over and over the same question in another way, it appears as you have a probably with reading comprehension and I am not saying this in a disrespectful manner and the word "appears" is not conclusion so don't take it personal.

I am not asking for any of you to prove anything to me, just stop asking the same question. Not to mention, I asked you about 14 times to read the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua... WHY HAVEN"T YOU RESPONDED? ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND? ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS UNDERSTANDING THAT CHAPTER?

Again, WHY HAVEN'T YOU RESPONDED?

Even though I want a response, I will discontinue responding to you, as I said, you appear to have a reading comprehension problem, unless it is reason why you do not respond. So respectfully and honor my wish do not respond to any of my post you are not understanding anything I am posting.

God bless you!
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once again (I feel like I a, repeating the same stuff over and over)


YOUR NOT ANSWERING nor are you COMPERIHENDING what we are saying or asking

your trying to interpret what we say from your belief system. thus you can not comprehend what we say or ask, we are on two different pages discussing two different things.

this we will NEVEr resolve this conflict.
 
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watcher2013 said:
The 5 curses you listed are penalties even in a non torah believers...
Do you mean all those who are not in prison, not broken family...are torah followers?
And psalams 1 in general is comparison between ungodly to godly.
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Please read what I stated before making a statement.

We made it clear that death was not to be part of this question, so told you I had talk about it on earth and believe me, I knew you were trying to trap me, so here is the answer for you... Deuteronomy 28:15- 20, so read it carefully and the why is in verse 15 which a has to do with all the commandments.

It appeared as you were trying to trap me, but it does not work that way if that was your intention, you know if that was your intention and if it was that was malicious and wicked.
 
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Please read what I stated before making a statement.

We made it clear that death was not to be part of this question, so told you I had talk about it on earth and believe me, I knew you were trying to trap me, so here is the answer for you... Deuteronomy 28:15- 20, so read it carefully and the why is in verse 15 which a has to do with all the commandments.

It appeared as you were trying to trap me, but it does not work that way if that was your intention, you know if that was your intention and if it was that was malicious and wicked.
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Does it not talk about the land that God gave them... and the law..
Land of Israel
Law of Israel.
Gentiles outside israel who do not follow the law of israel are not cursed along with the land of Israel.
In fact babylon who do not have the law has conqueres them.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Does it not talk about the land that God gave them... and the law..
Land of Israel
Law of Israel.
Gentiles outside israel who do not follow the law of israel are not cursed along with the land of Israel.
In fact babylon who do not have the law has conqueres them.
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Why don't you read, I was responding to your questions, I do not imposed anything on the Gentiles.

Please read what I stated before making a statement.

We made it clear that death was not to be part of this question, so told you I had talk about it on earth and believe me, I knew you were trying to trap me, so here is the answer for you... Deuteronomy 28:15- 20, so read it carefully and the why is in verse 15 which a has to do with all the commandments. Read Psalms 1 again, the man whose delight is in the law of the law and meditate on them day and night is bless.

Your question on are torah followers has nothing to do with what we were talking about and it is a ridiculous question you are asking. who is talking about torah followers? No me.

It appears as you were trying to trap me, but it does not work that way and if that was your intention (you're the only one that can answer that) it was malicious and wicked.

As a Jew to me it is not about being a Torah follower, but about being obedient to the law of God.

You just marked yourself, like to others in the past everyone knows them already.
 
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Why don't you read, I was responding to your questions, I do not imposed anything on the Gentiles.

Please read what I stated before making a statement.

We made it clear that death was not to be part of this question, so told you I had talk about it on earth and believe me, I knew you were trying to trap me, so here is the answer for you... Deuteronomy 28:15- 20, so read it carefully and the why is in verse 15 which a has to do with all the commandments. Read Psalms 1 again, the man whose delight is in the law of the law and meditate on them day and night is bless.

Your question on are torah followers has nothing to do with what we were talking about and it is a ridiculous question you are asking. who is talking about torah followers? No me.

It appears as you were trying to trap me, but it does not work that way and if that was your intention (you're the only one that can answer that) it was malicious and wicked.

As a Jew to me it is not about being a Torah follower, but about being obedient to the law of God.

You just marked yourself, like to others in the past everyone knows them already.
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I thought the subject is Torah observant Christians...
In relation to the subject ye are discussing the curses.and blessings.
So asked what are the curses and blessings.

You have given cursesnpertaining to the Land, which are not applicable to christians.
You can mark anyone who does not agree with you but that does not make you right.
Whatever the differences as christian shame on you on calling a brother wicked....
 
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Grandpa said:
2 Corinthians 3:6-11
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


Is the Law of God the ministration of Death? No.

Is the Law of God the ministration of Condemnation? No.

Is the Law of God something that could be said we are not under any more? No.

These are all descriptions of the 10 commandments AND CANNOT BE the Law of God.


The Law of God gives Life. The Law of God gives Blessings. The Law of God gives Righteousness.

The 10 commandments can do NONE of these things.
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There is no thing in the new testament that is able to abrogate the fact of God's giving His 10 commandments in the old.

Personally? I don't believe any Christian can say , when God said it first, that the ten commandments do not apply anymore. To claim the 10 commandments CANNOT BE the Law of God, is to call the 20th chapter in Exodus where God gives His 10 commandments unto Moses a fiction, a lie.

Even Jesus referred to them when He told us that the law is grounded in Love. Love of God, and love of ones neighbor as themselves. And those two commands are those which the law and the prophets hang.


God said He has put His law in our hearts so that we will never be separated from them. Thinking His moral law, grounded in love of God and our fellow human beings no longer applies, is foolish. Or, something far worse.
There are 603 other laws in the Mitzvot, perhaps your contention against God's law pertains to that because your argument, when there is no actual true scripture that revokes God's Ten Words, cannot in all truth pertain to the Decalogue.
 
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