The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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“First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.” Romans 1:8 (KJV 1900)

“For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:” Acts 24:5 (KJV 1900)

“But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” Romans 10:18 (KJV 1900)

“If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:23 (KJV 1900)
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Exactly how does this substantiate your claim? Was this Paul's personal opinion that that the faith of the people he was addressing is spoken throughout the whole world or was that a term that he simply chose to use to make his point?
 
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Exactly how does this substantiate your claim? Was this Paul's personal opinion that that the faith of the people he was addressing is spoken throughout the whole world or was that a term that he simply chose to use to make his point?
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It means you make God a liar to say the gospel wasn't preached to the whole world at that time.
 
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You are adding to scripture if you don't have the bible define its own terms. Using google maps says the bible is lying. When it says the gospel reached the whole world in its time frame.
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The bible explicitly state that the gospel 'must' be preached to the ends of the earth. It does not say that it has 'already' been preached to the ends of the earth. What in the world does google maps have to do with this discussion?
 
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It means you make God a liar to say the gospel wasn't preached to the whole world at that time.
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The bible also says that the sun rises and sets as this is a term that is readily understood to explain that there is darkness during the night because of the setting sun and light due to the rising of the sun. Actually, the sun neither rises or sets but that term was simply used to make a point in a way that is easy to understand. How was the gospel preached to the other continents and islands during the time when Paul was addressing these people? In fact, it really wasn't but it would certainly happen. If the gospel was already preached Jesus would not have said that it 'shall' be preached in all the world.

Matthew 24:14
"...and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come". Still waiting for the end to come.
 
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tourist said:
The bible explicitly state that the gospel 'must' be preached to the ends of the earth. It does not say that it has 'already' been preached to the ends of the earth. What in the world does google maps have to do with this discussion?
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I think Dave believe that all the world biblical term is only the nations that mention in the bible in the first century

So when Jesus say preach the gospel to all nation, mean only nation that mention in the bible, not Indonesia.

When bible say the beast rule the whole world mean only rule some country that mention in the bible, he try to say Nero is the beast oN rev 13 because he rule the world

To me Nero not rule the whole world, because in the history of Indonesia or usa, Nero never rule Indonesia or usa

That also mean the missionary that preach the gospel to Indonesia is violate the world of God because Indonesia not include in the biblical list of the world
 
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Jackson123 said:
I think Dave believe that all the world biblical term is only the nations that mention in the bible in the first century

So when Jesus say preach the gospel to all nation, mean only nation that mention in the bible, not Indonesia.

When bible say the beast rule the whole world mean only rule some country that mention in the bible, he try to say Nero is the beast oN rev 13 because he rule the world

To me Nero not rule the whole world, because in the history of Indonesia or usa, Nero never rule Indonesia or usa

That also mean the missionary that preach the gospel to Indonesia is violate the world of God because Indonesia not include in the biblical list of the world
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I believe that Dave's understanding of scripture in regards to the OP is myopic and limited in nature. It is obvious that the gospel had not in fact been preached to the ends of the earth at the time that Paul made that statement but was understood that it would fact be eventually preached to all people and nations over a period of many years and then the end shall come as explicitly stated in scripture. Your perception on this topic is right on topic.
 
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tourist said:
The bible also says that the sun rises and sets as this is a term that is readily understood to explain that there is darkness during the night because of the setting sun and light due to the rising of the sun. Actually, the sun neither rises or sets but that term was simply used to make a point in a way that is easy to understand. How was the gospel preached to the other continents and islands during the time when Paul was addressing these people? In fact, it really wasn't but it would certainly happen. If the gospel was already preached Jesus would not have said that it 'shall' be preached in all the world.

Matthew 24:14
"...and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come". Still waiting for the end to come.
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Already happened in the first century.
 
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Already happened in the first century.
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You are entitled to your opinion but it would be naive for you to believe that you sould expect others to accept your opinion as a biblical fact.
 
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tourist said:
The bible explicitly state that the gospel 'must' be preached to the ends of the earth. It does not say that it has 'already' been preached to the ends of the earth. What in the world does google maps have to do with this discussion?
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“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, That thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6 (KJV 1900)

Happened according to:

“First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.” Romans 1:8 (KJV 1900)

“For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:” Acts 24:5 (KJV 1900)

“But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” Romans 10:18 (KJV 1900)

“If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:23 (KJV 1900)
 
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You are entitled to your opinion but it would be naive for you to believe that you sould expect others to accept your opinion as a biblical fact.
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Only those not aware of the scriptures I posted.
 
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tourist said:
I believe that Dave's understanding of scripture in regards to the OP is myopic and limited in nature. It is obvious that the gospel had not in fact been preached to the ends of the earth at the time that Paul made that statement but was understood that it would fact be eventually preached to all people and nations over a period of many years and then the end shall come as explicitly stated in scripture. Your perception on this topic is right on topic.
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That because Dave try to say Nero is the antichrist, or the beast in rev 13.

If Dave accept all the world mean every Island, every continue t that is in Google map, than his theory that Nero is the beast in the rev 13 is wrong

Rev 13 say the beast rule all the world

Nero not rule all the world

To make Nero rule all the world, Dave must define all the world, not include Indonesia or USA

But Dave believe USA is include in the biblical term of all the world, so Dave not consistent
 
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Dave-L said:
“For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:” Acts 24:5 (KJV 1900)
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Perhaps you are a pestilent fellow as well. :)
 
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That because Dave try to say Nero is the antichrist, or the beast in rev 13.

If Dave accept all the world mean every Island, every continue t that is in Google map, than his theory that Nero is the beast in the rev 13 is wrong

Rev 13 say the beast rule all the world

Nero not rule all the world

To make Nero rule all the world, Dave must define all the world, not include Indonesia or USA

But Dave believe USA is include in the biblical term of all the world, so Dave not consistent
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I concur with your estimation.
 
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Jackson123 said:
That because Dave try to say Nero is the antichrist, or the beast in rev 13.

If Dave accept all the world mean every Island, every continue t that is in Google map, than his theory that Nero is the beast in the rev 13 is wrong

Rev 13 say the beast rule all the world

Nero not rule all the world

To make Nero rule all the world, Dave must define all the world, not include Indonesia or USA

But Dave believe USA is include in the biblical term of all the world, so Dave not consistent
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You will never understand the Kingdom until you understand Jesus' teaching on it. Have you ever studied his kingdom teaching in the gospels?
 
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I study the bible, I know Jesus teaching about kingdom of heaven, No flesh body can enter.

But 1000 years kingdom is not in heaven, brother
 
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I study the bible, I know Jesus teaching about kingdom of heaven, No flesh body can enter.

But 1000 years kingdom is not in heaven, brother
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Jackson123 said:
I study the bible, I know Jesus teaching about kingdom of heaven, No flesh body can enter.

But 1000 years kingdom is not in heaven, brother
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The phrase “kingdom of Heaven” occurs thirty-two (32) times and only in the Gospel of Matthew. The phrase “kingdom of God” occurs thirty-two (32) times in the Gospel of Luke, the most of any book in the Bible.

An examination of Synoptic parallels will demonstrate that the two phrases refer to the same idea.

“the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) || “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) || “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

“Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) || “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

“the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 13:11) || “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

“the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) || “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

“The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) || “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

“Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) || “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

“Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) || “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

“a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) || “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.” If this is so, then “God” = “Heaven,” which leads us into my next point.

“Heaven” as a Circumlocution or Substitute for “God”
The reason why Matthew uses the phrase “kingdom of Heaven” more often than “kingdom of God” (which he uses only five (5) times in his gospel, although there are textual variants) is because he wrote to a Jewish audience, and the Jews did not pronounce the Tetragrammaton יַהְוֶה (Yahveh), and sometimes not even the word אֱלֹהִים (elohim). For example, today, Jews do not say אֱלֹהִים (elohim), but rather, אֱלֹקִים (elokim), and certainly never the Tetragrammaton. Rather than pronouncing those, they used “substitutes.” Some of these substitutes include:

Taken from; https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....-the-kingdom-of-heaven-and-the-kingdom-of-god
 
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bud62 said:
There is Going to be a 1000 year reign , But not on earth,
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Well the whole point of the Millennium is to establish universal peace and righteousness ON EARTH under the rule of Christ. So obviously you need to gain a proper understanding of the Millennium.

And she brought forth a Man Child [CHRIST], who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Rev 12:5)

And out of His [CHRIST'S] mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (Rev 19:15)

So where are all the nations other than on earth?
 
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He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword, must be killed with the sword, This happen in 1798, When Napoleon Bonaparte put the pope in prison were he died, this separated the church from the state, that the Catholic Church was killing the saints with. What nation come to power about that time, The French recognized U.S.A as a nation in 1798,
The Pope was put in prison in 1798, So the Pope want into captivity, Like the BIBLE says, He was put in prison by the state power, Which is the sword power, So the same power that the Pope, was killing with, Killed him, So the Pope was in captivity, And killed by the Sword JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYs, Guess what happen next in the BIBLE ? The second Beast is recognized & rising in power, The very next thing that the BIBLE says will happen. We are the only nation coming in about this time, And there are more things that shows us that we are the second Beast, And Daniel tells us that a Beast in the BIBLE is a Nation.
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Dave-L said:
The phrase “kingdom of Heaven” occurs thirty-two (32) times and only in the Gospel of Matthew. The phrase “kingdom of God” occurs thirty-two (32) times in the Gospel of Luke, the most of any book in the Bible.

An examination of Synoptic parallels will demonstrate that the two phrases refer to the same idea.

“the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) || “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) || “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

“Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) || “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

“the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 13:11) || “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

“the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) || “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

“The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) || “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

“Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) || “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

“Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) || “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

“a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) || “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.” If this is so, then “God” = “Heaven,” which leads us into my next point.

“Heaven” as a Circumlocution or Substitute for “God”
The reason why Matthew uses the phrase “kingdom of Heaven” more often than “kingdom of God” (which he uses only five (5) times in his gospel, although there are textual variants) is because he wrote to a Jewish audience, and the Jews did not pronounce the Tetragrammaton יַהְוֶה (Yahveh), and sometimes not even the word אֱלֹהִים (elohim). For example, today, Jews do not say אֱלֹהִים (elohim), but rather, אֱלֹקִים (elokim), and certainly never the Tetragrammaton. Rather than pronouncing those, they used “substitutes.” Some of these substitutes include:

Taken from; https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....-the-kingdom-of-heaven-and-the-kingdom-of-god
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Like I say, No flesh and blood enter the kingdom of heaven. But not of that verse you quote say 1000 years kingdom is not oN earth

Isiah 65

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.y

What do you think These verses talking about

There Will be a time where most people live longer that 100 years, and If people die at 100 years old consider accursed

Where this even happen. In heaven? No my friend, in heaven No body die

It happen oN earth.

Long before isiah In time of Adam man live for thousand years, but after isiah, It not happen, but It Will happen

When It happen?

Read the whole story of the bible than you Will know It happen in the 1000 years kingdom.

It not happen yet.

Read verse 25

Lion Will Eat straw, can show me in the history lion Eat straw?

No because this story never happen yet, It Will happen in the future, It Will happen in the 1000 years kingdom
 
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Like I say, No flesh and blood enter the kingdom of heaven. But not of that verse you quote say 1000 years kingdom is not oN earth

Isiah 65

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.y

What do you think These verses talking about

There Will be a time where most people live longer that 100 years, and If people die at 100 years old consider accursed

Where this even happen. In heaven? No my friend, in heaven No body die

It happen oN earth.

Long before isiah In time of Adam man live for thousand years, but after isiah, It not happen, but It Will happen

When It happen?

Read the whole story of the bible than you Will know It happen in the 1000 years kingdom.

It not happen yet.

Read verse 25

Lion Will Eat straw, can show me in the history lion Eat straw?

No because this story never happen yet, It Will happen in the future, It Will happen in the 1000 years kingdom
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You must not read the OT as the Pharisees did. They had a veil over their eyes so they could not understand it. Even today it remains. Learn from Jesus about the kingdom and see the symbolism in the prophets as it pertains to the spiritual kingdom.
 
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