Adam was called Son of God but he was not Jesus the One and only Begotten Son of God , I have described it .. God come in the flesh, forget the trinity if you want to .. God come in the flesh to show us how to act towards both man and God, He took our sins, died on a cross then resurrected to prove to us life after death .. Who could do that but God Himself ? Name someone even close that could do that ? When you stand before Jesus are you going to say ''excuse me Jesus I'm looking for God, could you tell me where He is'' ?
Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
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Gen 49:
1Then Jacob called for his sons and said, “Gather around so that I can tell you what will happen to you in the days to come:
2Come together and listen, O sons of Jacob;
listen to your father Israel.
3Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might,......
5Simeon and Levi are brothers;......
8Judah,b your brothers shall praise you.....
13Zebulun shall dwell by the seashore........
14Issachar is a strong donkey,......
16Dan shall provide justice for his peoplef.....
19Gadg will be attacked by raiders,.....
20Asher’s food will be rich;.....
21Naphtali is a doe set free......
22Joseph is a fruitful vine,.....
27Benjamin is a ravenous wolf;......
28These are the tribes of Israel, twelve in all, and this was what their father said to them. He blessed them, and he blessed each one with a suitable blessing.
Does this mean there can not be any other tribe? Nope, it doesn't.
1Then Jacob called for his sons and said, “Gather around so that I can tell you what will happen to you in the days to come:
2Come together and listen, O sons of Jacob;
listen to your father Israel.
3Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might,......
5Simeon and Levi are brothers;......
8Judah,b your brothers shall praise you.....
13Zebulun shall dwell by the seashore........
14Issachar is a strong donkey,......
16Dan shall provide justice for his peoplef.....
19Gadg will be attacked by raiders,.....
20Asher’s food will be rich;.....
21Naphtali is a doe set free......
22Joseph is a fruitful vine,.....
27Benjamin is a ravenous wolf;......
28These are the tribes of Israel, twelve in all, and this was what their father said to them. He blessed them, and he blessed each one with a suitable blessing.
Does this mean there can not be any other tribe? Nope, it doesn't.
It's not difficult at all unless you don't believe Jesus is God come in the flesh for us .. Yes 3 persons same 1 God, One name
Yes God manifested in the flesh but can anyone describe this flesh (Jesus) as 3 persons in 1? If you can explain how Jesus is 3 persons in 1 then i will agree that God is indeed 3 in 1.
You know, going by the Shield of the Trinity, this is what the trinity is, and when you break it down, it does nothing but contradict itself. THis is how the shield of the trinity can be explained.
Now I will break it down to really show how crazy this trinity concept is and how it does nothing but contract itself.
Because this is what trinitarians believe. Since the trinity accepts Father = God , Son = God and The Holy Spirit = God, then it is a matter of applying that line of reasoning to the shield of trinity.
"The Father (God) is God"
"The Son (God) is God"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is God"
"God is the Father (God)"
"God is the Son (God)"
"God is the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Father (God) is not the Son (God)"
"The Father (God) is not the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Son (God) is not the Father (God)"
"The Son (God) is not the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is not the Father (God)"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is not the Son (God)"
At the end of the day, this is what trinity teaches. It is a matter of breaking it down to see how irrational this concept actually is.
So how can the trinity concept at its core say God is God but at the same time say God is not God? This is actually what is being taught, but the trinity supports and defenders cannot see it.
Now I will break it down to really show how crazy this trinity concept is and how it does nothing but contract itself.
Because this is what trinitarians believe. Since the trinity accepts Father = God , Son = God and The Holy Spirit = God, then it is a matter of applying that line of reasoning to the shield of trinity.
"The Father (God) is God"
"The Son (God) is God"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is God"
"God is the Father (God)"
"God is the Son (God)"
"God is the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Father (God) is not the Son (God)"
"The Father (God) is not the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Son (God) is not the Father (God)"
"The Son (God) is not the Holy Spirit (God)"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is not the Father (God)"
"The Holy Spirit (God) is not the Son (God)"
At the end of the day, this is what trinity teaches. It is a matter of breaking it down to see how irrational this concept actually is.
So how can the trinity concept at its core say God is God but at the same time say God is not God? This is actually what is being taught, but the trinity supports and defenders cannot see it.
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two are missing from your list, Ephraim & Manasseh.
And with you there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers.
And these are the names of the men that shall stand with you: of the tribe of Reuben; Elizur the son of Shedeur.
Of Simeon; Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai.
Of Judah; Nahshon the son of Amminadab.
Of Issachar; Nethaneel the son of Zuar.
Of Zebulun; Eliab the son of Helon.
Of the children of Joseph: of Ephraim; Elishama the son of Ammihud: of Manasseh; Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur.
Of Benjamin; Abidan the son of Gideoni.
Of Dan; Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.
Of Asher; Pagiel the son of Ocran.
Of Gad; Eliasaph the son of Deuel.
Of Naphtali; Ahira the son of Enan.
These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.
(Numbers 1:4-16)
i'm not "trying to say" anything.
i'm showing you what God says.
God says, 12 tribes. He says it several times, and He always says 12. He doesn't say "subtribes" -- He says tribes. He says 12, and of the times He says it, there are 14 called 12.
Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh are 3, which are 1, which are Joseph, who is 2, Ephraim and Manasseh.
other sons of Jacob had sons -- only Josephs sons are called tribes, and Joseph is called a tribe.
figure out why.
figure out why Joseph & Manasseh are both listed as tribes in Revelation 7, and Ephraim is not.
figure out why God says 12 tribes and gives 14 names.
i'm showing you what God says.
God says, 12 tribes. He says it several times, and He always says 12. He doesn't say "subtribes" -- He says tribes. He says 12, and of the times He says it, there are 14 called 12.
Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh are 3, which are 1, which are Joseph, who is 2, Ephraim and Manasseh.
other sons of Jacob had sons -- only Josephs sons are called tribes, and Joseph is called a tribe.
figure out why.
figure out why Joseph & Manasseh are both listed as tribes in Revelation 7, and Ephraim is not.
figure out why God says 12 tribes and gives 14 names.
So if you think Joseph is 3 tribes in one you should have zeroed in on Joseph and the other two tribes.
Joseph' sons are considered as tribes perhaps because of the blessings in Gen 49 which i pointed out. Each son received blessings and Joseph's was different from others because his father loved him more. But there's no mystery of a tribe within another here.
Joseph' sons are considered as tribes perhaps because of the blessings in Gen 49 which i pointed out. Each son received blessings and Joseph's was different from others because his father loved him more. But there's no mystery of a tribe within another here.
