Biden - If you vote for me your taxes are going to be raised, not cut!

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PennEd

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let me get this straight so I can understand the American thinking. You have the worst healthcare system in the world, with the vast majority of people not having access to healthcare , half of your budget goes on war, you have one of the worst homeless statistics in the world, welfare is hard to get, your infrastructure is crumbling at an alarming rate (I have seen the NYC Subway network and the NYJ Transit buses and the roads they drive on) and yet you want to decrease taxes???? What would Jesus think?
What a disgusting post from an ingrate foreigner, who would be a slave of the Japanese Empire had America not saved him.

also every point made is a blatant lie.
 

posthuman

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There are a few comments that should be added to the healthcare debate.

I’ve been a resident of a European country for quite some time, many years, in fact. This particular country has a healthcare plan for every citizen financed by taxation.

This is a good thing for many people, but the flip side is that people are literally dying while waiting in line for surgery.

This has made the growth of a private healthcare system possible, and people with money are, of course, turning to the providers of private healthcare.

My point is that if you have a decent healthcare insurance, the US healthcare system is better than the governmental healthcare systems in Norway and Canada. I’m not familiar with the systems in other countries.
 

posthuman

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There are a few comments that should be added to the healthcare debate.

I’ve been a resident of a European country for quite some time, many years, in fact. This particular country has a healthcare plan for every citizen financed by taxation.

This is a good thing for many people, but the flip side is that people are literally dying while waiting in line for surgery.

This has made the growth of a private healthcare system possible, and people with money are, of course, turning to the providers of private healthcare.

My point is that if you have a decent healthcare insurance, the US healthcare system is better than the governmental healthcare systems in Norway and Canada. I’m not familiar with the systems in other countries.
Personal experience---
I have never been denied health care--BUT
Since the government stuck their nose into my healthcare, the service has decreased greatly and the cost has increased greatly.
 
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What a disgusting post from an ingrate foreigner, who would be a slave of the Japanese Empire had America not saved him.

also every point made is a blatant lie.
Prohibitively high cost is the primary reason Americans have problems accessing health care.[4] The rate of adults uninsured for health care peaked at 18.0% in 2013 prior to the ACA mandate, fell to 10.9% in the third quarter of 2016, and stood at 13.7% in the fourth quarter of 2018, based on surveys by the Gallup organization beginning in 2008.[14] At over 27 million, the number of people without health insurance coverage in the United States is one of the primary concerns raised by advocates of health care reform. Lack of health insurance is associated with increased mortality, about sixty thousand preventable deaths per year, depending on the study.[15] A study done at Harvard Medical School with Cambridge Health Alliance showed that nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with a lack of patient health insurance. The study also found that uninsured, working Americans have an approximately 40% higher mortality risk compared to privately insured working Americans.[16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States
 

posthuman

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just today he lied again, trying to pin his slow reaction to the coronavirus on the previous POTUS

Trump falsely claimed that Obama administration slowed down diagnostic testing, experts say


why does he blatantly lie every day? because he has a constituency that believes it. that refuses to bother checking if what he says is even remotely true, and even when presented with evidence, refuses to look, or rejects it out of hand.

this president's lies and a big portion of the public that enables these very public lies are a real thing.
 

posthuman

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Nice non answer. Like I'm gonna click on all that garbagio!
this is the kind of reaction that gets a blatant liar get into office, and keeps him in office, and prevents him from being accountable for his lies.

i consider it an abundantly clear fact that the R party was from day 1 following a strict obstructionist policy in congress and propagandizing the same attitude of vitriolic partisan division in all their media outlets. if you were a living adult in America for the last 12 years, and i still need to explain and prove that to you, there is hardly any sense in me trying to do so. you're obviously not going to think objectively about this if you refuse to even look at evidence before pronouncing it garbage.

i'm not going to spend energy involving myself in worldly political arguments in the news section. i've been around long enough to know they won't do anything but propagate bitterness.
 

Smoke

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but you have corporate controlling your lives now. Want proof of that? Boeing and the 737 Max debacle
Most of the people here aren't really "conservative". They say they are, they are really just "Republicans". Republicans have come to be known as the party against people welfare and healthcare and PRO corporate welfare.

I'm sorry if what you're saying is true about your country selling out to big corporations... ours have long done that. It's why we pay exponentially more on medicine per capita than other countries... it's why in the early 2000s, Bush and his cronies removed the limit on how much they can charge us for medications/health care (after the Bush regime, many of his cronies became CEOs of big pharma corporations... ), it's why if you own a mom and pop business in the US, you pay a 21% corporate tax rate while billion dollar corporations like Exxon and Amazon get tax credits and pay absolutely nothing... $0... yet conservatives turn a blind eye to this type of corporate welfare.

You say your country is selling out to big corporations... ours sold out to them back when Reagan was president. Our national debt has been growing exponentially while we give billion dollar corporations their much needed welfare. The party I use to identify with actually cared about the national debt once upon a time...
 

Smoke

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Typical liberal playbook; tax the moral people to subsidize the evil of the wicked people.
Actually, that sounds like the Republican playbook... tax the middle-class so that the billion dollar corporations can get their tax credits and pay $0. Unless you're calling today's Republicans "liberal", then I agree with you 100%.
 

Nehemiah6

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Obama had 2 FULL yrs of COMPLETE Democrat control of BOTH the House of reps and the US Senate. He had 6 yrs of Democrat Senate control.
And let no one forget that there was not a single RINO who opposed him at any point. He simply sailed through all his mischief, and even when he committed treason, the RINOs would not impeach him. Looks like it pays be be black when the race card can be pulled out at any time. He even got a Nobel Peace prize for simply twiddling his thumbs. Today the Nobel Prize is a joke.
 

PennEd

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this is the kind of reaction that gets a blatant liar get into office, and keeps him in office, and prevents him from being accountable for his lies.

i consider it an abundantly clear fact that the R party was from day 1 following a strict obstructionist policy in congress and propagandizing the same attitude of vitriolic partisan division in all their media outlets. if you were a living adult in America for the last 12 years, and i still need to explain and prove that to you, there is hardly any sense in me trying to do so. you're obviously not going to think objectively about this if you refuse to even look at evidence before pronouncing it garbage.

i'm not going to spend energy involving myself in worldly political arguments in the news section. i've been around long enough to know they won't do anything but propagate bitterness.
And yet here you are. And OF COURSE the opposition party tries to block bills that they are diametrically opposed to! Why the heck do you think their voters put them in office?!

Doesn’t change the fact that you either spoke ignorantly, or deceived on purpose about Obama having an entire congress controlled by Democrats for two years.
 

Whispered

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Why the Washington Post Has No Credibility
There’s a reason why the Washington Post is not-so-affectionately tagged the “Washington Compost” by its fast-growing pool of distrustful detractors. That reason is embodied in both the person (and the “journalism”) of one Jonathan Capehart, homosexual activist, Washington Post mercenary-hack and editorial board member. Capehart is a liar and, by extension, so is the Washington Post. [2016 Complete Opinion Piece Continues]
 

Nehemiah6

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his is the kind of reaction that gets a blatant liar get into office, and keeps him in office, and prevents him from being accountable for his lies.
As long as the Democrats make a deliberate practice of speaking lies DAILY, all their protestations about Trump being a liar are PURE NONSENSE. Only a fool would believe their lies.

As to being accountable, ever since Trump took office the Democrats have CONSPIRED to take him down through an illegal coup for THREE YEARS. But of course you have no problem with that. You would rather have had crooked Hillary telling her lies and getting away with it, and you would not have said a word about lies in the White House. Correct?

Except that Christians cannot maintain a double standard. So where is your outrage over the evil deeds of the Democrats?
 

bojack

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just today he lied again, trying to pin his slow reaction to the coronavirus on the previous POTUS

Trump falsely claimed that Obama administration slowed down diagnostic testing, experts say

why does he blatantly lie every day? because he has a constituency that believes it. that refuses to bother checking if what he says is even remotely true, and even when presented with evidence, refuses to look, or rejects it out of hand.

this president's lies and a big portion of the public that enables these very public lies are a real thing.
Looks like Chucky is getting worried for the first time