Is Ezekiel’s Temple literal or spiritual?

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Many look for Ezekiel’s temple built of brick and mortar in Jerusalem in the coming days. One of the points for a spiritual understanding instead is that Ezekiel’s measurements are incomplete. The height measurements do not exist except for the two front pillars. Which means people would need to add to God’s word, which is a sin, to build it. So if built according to Ezekiel’s given measurements, it would resemble a bar of soap with two chopsticks standing upright, representing the pillars in front of it.

Also with incomplete measurements, only God could build it to his plan. And the Temple would then represent Jesus, God’s temple made without hands. In whom God lives. So from the beginning we understand the Temple can only be a symbol of Christ, the Temple made without hands where God lives.[ii]

Also, a feature of the Temple runs opposite to the natural laws of entropy. As a central characteristic of the Temple.[iii] Making it more symbolic than literal. The temple vision has a trickle of water beginning in the temple. And growing in size as it leaves the temple, then growing into a river.

And this also depicts Jesus’s miracles of multiplying the loaves and fishes. His creating seeing eyes from clay. And his raising people from the dead, including himself and believers on the last day. Also Jesus spoke of inexhaustible living waters flowing from the bellies of those who believe in him. All pointing to the Temple made without hands in Christ.

A physical Temple would also reject his shed blood on the cross. And a return to animal sacrifices which would leave sin unatoned for. The animal sacrifices called for by Ezekiel atoned for sin as they once did. But found their fulfillment and end in Christ. And according to Hebrews, they remain eternally fulfilled in him.[iv] So this would place all under the warning passages in Hebrews 6.

Where did the physical third temple idea come from? Simply put, Jesus fulfilled Daniel’s 70th week as foretold. Daniel shows Christ stopped the sacrifices in the middle of the 70th week, with the sacrifice of himself. But the kingdom they expected did not arrive. So they turned Jesus who fulfilled the prophecy in the middle of the 70th week, into Antichrist and inserted a gap of unlimited duration between Daniel’s 69th and 70th week. Pushing the 70th week thousands of years into the future. But it came not from scripture, but from their blindness.
And since the kingdom Daniel spoke of came had to come in the days of the Roman Empire, these thought there must be another Roman Empire before this can happen. So today we have a false prophecy about a restored Roman Empire. And since Antichrist must then sit in the Temple of God, they must build a Third Temple. And since he must stop animal sacrifices in the middle of the week, animal sacrifices must resume. But Daniel shows Christ stopped the sacrifices in the middle of the 70th week, with the sacrifice of himself. And Ezekiel’s temple description and Hebrews does not allow for any of this.



The size of Ezekiel’s temple is approximately the same size as the boundaries of ancient Jerusalem itself during the second temple era.143 The description by Ezekiel generally lists only lengths and widths, not heights, except for side pillars of 60 cubits (Ezek 40:14).
Jonathan Menn. (n.d.). Biblical Eschatology. Ezekiel's temple incomplete measurements
[ii] “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.” John 2:19–21 (KJV 1900)
[iii] “And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.” Ezekiel 47:3–5 (KJV 1900)
[iv] “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.” Hebrews 7:26–28 (KJV 1900)
 
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The Temple is Both Spiritual and Physical. There is nothing on this earth that does not hold its roots in the spiritual world. This of the Spiritual world as a "thought". The thought itself is not a physical form, but with a physical body, you convert that thought through a chain of events, into a build and its creation! (God thought it, He spoke it and it came to be).

Now, Temple offerings DID NOT end with Jesus on the cross. It ended because in 70 AD, the Temple was destroyed and by Jewish law, you cannot have a Priesthood without a Temple and without a Priesthood, you cannot offer sacrifices because the Priests would perform the service. Plus you believe God is perfect and wise right? Then do not limit the Temple as a "slaughterhouse" of the OT. There is profound wisdom but its not necessary to know as a Believer. Further proof is that even Paul in the Book of Acts paid for 4 offerings when he had to complete his Nazarite vow. That's fully Biblical and Torah.

Now, the Temple can be built by our hands and our deeds or we will fall so low, that we will need Messiah to build it for us. That choice is in our hands.
 

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Many look for Ezekiel’s temple built of brick and mortar in Jerusalem in the coming days.
Not bricks and mortar but probably stones and mortar. A magnificent temple such has never existed on earth.

If you can't believe this then you might as well stop calling yourself a believer. "Coming days" is too vague. After the Second Coming of Christ is more precise and accurate.
 

Jackson123

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Many look for Ezekiel’s temple built of brick and mortar in Jerusalem in the coming days. One of the points for a spiritual understanding instead is that Ezekiel’s measurements are incomplete. The height measurements do not exist except for the two front pillars. Which means people would need to add to God’s word, which is a sin, to build it. So if built according to Ezekiel’s given measurements, it would resemble a bar of soap with two chopsticks standing upright, representing the pillars in front of it.
It doesn't say how many people should build this temple If 100 people build It, is that mean add to God word?

It doesn't say how many days should complete this building If people build in a years, is that mean add God word?

It doesn't give the list of people that Will build this temple, If John one of the builder, is that mean add God word?
 
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It doesn't say how many people should build this temple If 100 people build It, is that mean add to God word?

It doesn't say how many days should complete this building If people build in a years, is that mean add God word?

It doesn't give the list of people that Will build this temple, If John one of the builder, is that mean add God word?
Without scripture dimensions, you add to God's word making your own dimensions. The temple is not finished as presented in scripture.
 
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Not bricks and mortar but probably stones and mortar. A magnificent temple such has never existed on earth.

If you can't believe this then you might as well stop calling yourself a believer. "Coming days" is too vague. After the Second Coming of Christ is more precise and accurate.
But...........There is no Millennium. It's a Pharisee doctrine people ADD to Revelation.
 
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The Temple is Both Spiritual and Physical. There is nothing on this earth that does not hold its roots in the spiritual world. This of the Spiritual world as a "thought". The thought itself is not a physical form, but with a physical body, you convert that thought through a chain of events, into a build and its creation! (God thought it, He spoke it and it came to be).

Now, Temple offerings DID NOT end with Jesus on the cross. It ended because in 70 AD, the Temple was destroyed and by Jewish law, you cannot have a Priesthood without a Temple and without a Priesthood, you cannot offer sacrifices because the Priests would perform the service. Plus you believe God is perfect and wise right? Then do not limit the Temple as a "slaughterhouse" of the OT. There is profound wisdom but its not necessary to know as a Believer. Further proof is that even Paul in the Book of Acts paid for 4 offerings when he had to complete his Nazarite vow. That's fully Biblical and Torah.

Now, the Temple can be built by our hands and our deeds or we will fall so low, that we will need Messiah to build it for us. That choice is in our hands.
Any temple comes not from scripture but is self-fulfillment of false prophecy. Ezekiel's temple can only be built by God, the temple made without hands. Which Ezekiel symbolizes Christ. Any return to animal sacrifice denies Christ. Even if you teach it without it ever happening.
 

Nehemiah6

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But...........There is no Millennium. It's a Pharisee doctrine people ADD to Revelation.
Since the apostle John was not a Pharisee, and since the Holy Spirit would not give him the doctrines of the Pharisee, it looks like you are the Pharisee who rejects the words of God. Revelation 20 is Scripture. And to back it up there are dozens of Scriptures in the OT.
 
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The Temple is Both Spiritual and Physical. There is nothing on this earth that does not hold its roots in the spiritual world. This of the Spiritual world as a "thought". The thought itself is not a physical form, but with a physical body, you convert that thought through a chain of events, into a build and its creation! (God thought it, He spoke it and it came to be).

Now, Temple offerings DID NOT end with Jesus on the cross. It ended because in 70 AD, the Temple was destroyed and by Jewish law, you cannot have a Priesthood without a Temple and without a Priesthood, you cannot offer sacrifices because the Priests would perform the service. Plus you believe God is perfect and wise right? Then do not limit the Temple as a "slaughterhouse" of the OT. There is profound wisdom but its not necessary to know as a Believer. Further proof is that even Paul in the Book of Acts paid for 4 offerings when he had to complete his Nazarite vow. That's fully Biblical and Torah.

Now, the Temple can be built by our hands and our deeds or we will fall so low, that we will need Messiah to build it for us. That choice is in our hands.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I would offer we must careful how we hear when seeking the approval of God

The temple is made up of the temporal as that in which the eyes see. The temple again as the temporal is used in various parables to represent the unseen new order of heaven and earth of the hidden glory. It is described as having no temple.

The destroying of the abomination of desolation. It was transferred over to another temporal temple the believers having the treasure of that temple in our earthen body having the power of God working in us with us to both will and perform his good pleasure.

In that way beauty is in the eye of the Faithful Creator not seen the eternal . Therefore to behold His beauty we take the things seen, the temporal to give us ears and eyes to hear the unseen understanding.

To most of mankind the temple could of been considered a wonder of the world. Great historical value.

Personally I think it is amazing to show his long suffering turning those faithless Jews over to do that which they should not of as the abomination of desolation ( pagan foundation of Kings as to the temple seen ) . Using that period of time as a parable of the unseen glory until the time of reformation.

I can imagine Jesus walking out of the temple for the last time showing his detain. An abomination of desolation that stood in the holy unseen place of God's hidden glory. We walk by faith .

And I saw no temple therein: for the
Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21:22;23
 
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But...........There is no Millennium. It's a Pharisee doctrine people ADD to Revelation.

The "thousands years" is simply a metaphor in that parable to represent a unknown. A period of time called the "last days" or the "day of the Lord" . It began when Jesus said; "it is finished" the veil was rent .The time or reformation is here. It will end on the last day when Christ comes as a thief in the night.
 
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Was Ezekiel's wheel real or imagined?
Aren't you all that are baptized in the faith temples? Maybe that's the same thing in Ezekiel's old testament prophecy. Maybe read that book of his prophecy while internalizing it, or making it to mean you are the temple he's referring to and see if it makes sense.
 
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Since the apostle John was not a Pharisee, and since the Holy Spirit would not give him the doctrines of the Pharisee, it looks like you are the Pharisee who rejects the words of God. Revelation 20 is Scripture. And to back it up there are dozens of Scriptures in the OT.
Are you forcing a Pharisaic interpretation on it? Jesus refuted the Millennium idea many times in the gospels.
 

Jackson123

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Without scripture dimensions, you add to God's word making your own dimensions. The temple is not finished as presented in scripture.
You not answer my question.
 

Dino246

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If you can't believe this then you might as well stop calling yourself a believer.
This is exactly the kind of divisive, condemning comment that is NOT needed on this forum, or anywhere else.

Right belief on secondary matters never saved anyone.
 
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Spiritual kingdom only as unseen ? How could we understand it?
That which is seen is temporal. That which is unseen is eternal. The kingdom is eternal, not 1000 years.