Is it a sin to drink alcohol

WithinReason · Mar 27, 2020

Just to speak a little more to your point, I am being detailed for the purpose of glorifying Jesus, who was very detailed and particular, please notice He is a man of details:

Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Joh_20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Jesus folded his laundry before leaving. There is of course much more that can be shared about the detailed manner of Jesus, and so I desire to be like Him. The evidence I am presenting, I have studied most thoroughly, looking at every word and verse on the subject and studying each out in great detail, and in connection with the plan of Redemption as it is in Christ Jesus, for every doctrine not connected to Jesus, is as a branch separated from the True Vine, and can only wither, having no life/salvation in it.

LovelyIrishlilly · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

Just to speak a little more to your point, I am being detailed for the purpose of glorifying Jesus, who was very detailed and particular, please notice He is a man of details:

Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Joh_20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Jesus folded his laundry before leaving. There is of course much more that can be shared about the detailed manner of Jesus, and so I desire to be like Him. The evidence I am presenting, I have studied most thoroughly, looking at every word and verse on the subject and studying each out in great detail, and in connection with the plan of Redemption as it is in Christ Jesus, for every doctrine not connected to Jesus, is as a branch separated from the True Vine, and can only wither, having no life/salvation in it.

When Jesus said to be like me and follow me, He didn't mean for you to confuse people. He meant for you to shepherd and care for people. Your response to a simple question is confusing and Jesus was not confusing. Food for thought.

WithinReason · Mar 27, 2020

LovelyIrishlilly said:

My response has been clear. To drink alcohol is sin. There are two kinds of wine in scripture, that of the devil (alcoholic content, called 'wine') and that of Christ (Juice of the grape, fruit of the vine, called 'wine'). I am caring for people, to warn them away from sin (that's called shepherding), misery and death through destroying themselves by consuming alcohol and thinking it is 'ok' with God and their fellow mankind, when it is not loving either.

I pray that is concise and clear.

posthuman · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

Where in the world does this even come from? Who is catholic here? Anyone?

You're very out of touch with reality, dude.

posthuman · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

Your response is clearly wrong. It was proven on page 1

That 12 pages later you are still vainly trying to make it - something is "clear"

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Mar 27, 2020

posthuman said:

He’s trying to make a case that what the Christ made was glorified Welch’s grape juice. Un. Real. Dude‘s out of touch with reality. I figure when he prays every night he starts it with, ”God, I thank You that I am not like other people...”

WithinReason · Mar 27, 2020

MOC said:

You do not understand how the bible uses the word "drunk" here in that text.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk [Gr: "intoxicated"] with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; [see also Matthew 23:25, “cup” full of “excess”, see also 1 Peter 4:4, for "excess" of "riot", is a little "riot" okay?]

Eph 5:18 και μη μεθυσκεσθε οινω εν ω εστιν ασωτια αλλα πληρουσθε εν πνευματι

Strong's:

"G3182

μεθύσκω

methuskō

meth-oos'-ko

A prolonged (transitive) form of G3184; to intoxicate: - be drunk (-en).

Total KJV occurrences: 3"

Thayer's:

"G3182

μεθύσκω

methuskō

Thayer Definition:

1) to intoxicate, make drunk

2) to get drunk, become intoxicated

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged (transitive) form of G3184"

The text clearly states that as a Christian we are not to be intoxicated for within it is inherently by nature, riotous/excess.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

The Pharisees knew nothing of the filling of Holy Ghost/Spirit, and had unclean spirits filling them instead (John 8:44, etc).

The text says nothing about 'amount', nothing about drinking alcohol too much, but rather speaks of the inherent nature of intoxication, which is very excess itself. Now go back to the definition I already provided on alcohol, which is by nature (no matter amount) intoxicating, thus in any amount, "excess" of sin, for sin in any amount is too much.

(BTW, those who say they are "drunk" with the Holy Spirit, and need a Holy Ghost "bartender" so that they may act drunken, babel, cast themselves down, etc, have no idea what they are saying/doing when they do so. Those who are filled with the Holy Spirit are "sober", uplifted and made to "stand" in Christ Jesus, and always in their right mind [perhaps more on this later if neccesary].)

Alcohol takes away "understanding" of the will of the Lord:

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Pro 31:3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Pro 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Mar 27, 2020

Dude, don’t be filled with wine..i.e..smashed. Getting drunk is a sin. Drinking alcohol isn’t. No matter how much you express you phariseeness on here, you’re not getting by with pushing it on us. And for the record, I haven’t drank alcohol since December 2005, so I’m not stating this for my drinking alcohol, as I don’t drink.

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Mar 27, 2020

οἶνος (oinos)

wine, Mt. 9:17; Mk. 2:22; meton. the vine and its clusters, Rev. 6:6met. οἶνος, a potion, οἶνος τοῦ θυμοῦ, a furious potion, Rev. 14:8, 10; 16:19; 17:2, 18:3

This is the wine the Christ turned from water and was given to the master of the feast. Notice he didn’t say this was really good grape juice, but was good wine. Oinos.

John146 · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

Let’s see, in 2018 U.S. alone:

1. 26% adults binge drink
2. 14.4 million adults suffer from AUD, alcohol use disorder
3. 401,000 adolescences (12-17) suffer from AUD
4. 88,000 people die annually from alcohol use
5. 249 billion dollars is spent on alcohol misuse
6. Globally, 3.3 million or 5.9% deaths occur by alcohol
7. More than 10% of children live with a parent with alcohol problems
8. Not to mention liver diseases, cirrhosis, cancer, etc..
9. Leading cause of death for people 14-24 years old.

Sound like a good time? Sound ok to y’all? People really want their alcohol, whatever the cost.

LovelyIrishlilly · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

You do not understand how the bible uses the word "drunk" here in that text.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk [Gr: "intoxicated"] with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; [see also Matthew 23:25, “cup” full of “excess”, see also 1 Peter 4:4, for "excess" of "riot", is a little "riot" okay?]

Eph 5:18 και μη μεθυσκεσθε οινω εν ω εστιν ασωτια αλλα πληρουσθε εν πνευματι

Strong's:

"G3182

μεθύσκω

methuskō

meth-oos'-ko

A prolonged (transitive) form of G3184; to intoxicate: - be drunk (-en).

Total KJV occurrences: 3"

Thayer's:

"G3182

μεθύσκω

methuskō

Thayer Definition:

1) to intoxicate, make drunk

2) to get drunk, become intoxicated

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged (transitive) form of G3184"

The text clearly states that as a Christian we are not to be intoxicated for within it is inherently by nature, riotous/excess.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

The Pharisees knew nothing of the filling of Holy Ghost/Spirit, and had unclean spirits filling them instead (John 8:44, etc).

The text says nothing about 'amount', nothing about drinking alcohol too much, but rather speaks of the inherent nature of intoxication, which is very excess itself. Now go back to the definition I already provided on alcohol, which is by nature (no matter amount) intoxicating, thus in any amount, "excess" of sin, for sin in any amount is too much.

(BTW, those who say they are "drunk" with the Holy Spirit, and need a Holy Ghost "bartender" so that they may act drunken, babel, cast themselves down, etc, have no idea what they are saying/doing when they do so. Those who are filled with the Holy Spirit are "sober", uplifted and made to "stand" in Christ Jesus, and always in their right mind [perhaps more on this later if neccesary].)

Alcohol takes away "understanding" of the will of the Lord:

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Pro 31:3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Pro 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Dude we all know what the word DRUNK means... we understand that bible's warnings. We also understand that Alchohol is a wonderful gift. Cheers.

blue_ladybug · Mar 27, 2020

WithinReason said:

Yeah, well Jesus turned water into wine. That so-called "wine of the devil". Wine is made from grapes, which then gets fermented until it turns into alcohol..

It's not a sin to drink alcohol, the sin comes with getting drunk and doing stupid stuff such as drinking and driving and crashing into a family of five..

JMO

John146 · Mar 27, 2020

LovelyIrishlilly said:

The biblical definition of drunken is too much of any drink.

blue_ladybug · Mar 27, 2020

You CAN drink alcohol without getting drunk. It's a little thing called "moderation"..

WithinReason · Mar 27, 2020

MOC said:

Yep, that is one of the cases of showing the evil of alcohol, as I earlier stated. It says nothing about the fruit of the vine (the other kind of "wine"):

Exo 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

Exo 32:7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

"Drink" (notice, not the blessing kind, but the "corrupt" kind that leads to "corruption")

Strong's:

"H8354

שָׁתָה

shâthâh

shaw-thaw'

A primitive root; to imbibe (literally or figuratively). : - X assuredly, banquet, X certainly, drink (-er, -ing), drunk (X -ard), surely. [Prop. intensive of H8248.]

Total KJV occurrences: 218"

Brown-Driver-Brigg's:

"H8354

שׁתה

shâthâh

BDB Definition:

1) to drink

1a) (Qal)

1a1) to drink

1a1a) of drinking cup of God’s wrath, of slaughter, of wicked deeds (figuratively)

1a2) to feast

1b) (Niphal) to be drunk

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root"

This just demonstrated the case for me, about the two kinds of wine in scripture, that Alcohol mixed with worship leads to Idolatry, just as it does in Romanism and all such churches (Acts 7:38) that partake of those 'spirits'. They even claimed that it was to worship JEHOVAH, and to hold a 'feast' to Him.

Exo 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

All are warned by Paul:

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

"Drink"

Strong's:

"G4095

πίνω, πίω, πόω

pinō piō poō

pee'-no, pee'-o, po'-o

The first is a prolonged form of the second, which (together with the third form) occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses; to imbibe (literally or figuratively): - drink.

Total KJV occurrences: 75"

Thayer's:

"G4095

πίνω / πίω / πόω

pinō / piō / poō

Thayer Definition:

1) to drink

2) figuratively, to receive into the soul what serves to refresh strengthen, nourish it unto life eternal

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged form of pio which (together with another form poo, occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses"

What happens when mankind drinks alcohol? They "fall" (sin).

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Mar 27, 2020

Dude, your phariseeness hasta goes. You‘re out of sorts.

John146 · Mar 27, 2020

blue_ladybug said:

I really don’t know of anyone who drinks in moderation. And what does that mean anyway? Of everyone I know that drinks, all of them overuse every once in a while.

As soon as you start to feel the effects of alcohol, you’ve gone too far. All I know is the Lord wants 100% control of my mind and body.

WithinReason · Mar 27, 2020

John146 said:

This.

LovelyIrishlilly · Mar 27, 2020

John146 said:

I drink in moderation. And so do my Christian friends. A glass of wine with a meal. I have no desire to get drunk. I believe the American prohibition ruined the American Christians understanding of Alchohol. (excpet for the presbyterians) It wasn't the Bible that condemned alcohol, it was people. We will drink wine at the wedding feast.

LovelyIrishlilly · Mar 27, 2020

Last comment-
You have to separate the terms in your understanding Drunk and Drink. You can certainly have a drink. You must not be drunk. That sounds like liberty and freedom to me!
Peace out!

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