This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

Yeah they are going to ban travel now, after the whole remaining NYC moved down here to Florida. Maybe wait till it spreads around some more, then ban it after everybody happily gets to their destinations.

You sound like you're panicking.
There's no way to control that many people globally, and economy must go on, so this virus will run its course and everything will be back to normal except there will be more delivery and drivethrough available. People will learn to stock up better. Hopefully, wash hands more.

The thing is that people in a lot of areas are unfamiliar with standard measures for stopping epidemics like quarantine or ban on gatherings and are thus completely freaking out, panic shopping, and whatnot...

Hello, to all around the World. This is Matt from NZ here. Yeah God is shaking up this world in a huge way. I pray that all people around the world will come to know Jesus before He returns. In the end of this life, this world will be turned over to Jesus some day, no doubt about that. We pray that all people in this world would have a second thought about where their life is heading, both physically and spiritually. God's Word says that we are just a vapor, we are here, gone the next.

I hope you that are still alive on this earth are doing well. I pray that all your families are staying safe and reading and speaking God's Word more into our world each day. God has a better and bigger plan for this world than any disease or virus.

Brother in Christ
Matt

exactly!

you can't make this stuff up

Scientists and other medical experts invited us to compare Coronavirus and the seasonal flu by saying that Coronavirus was "at least" 10x as deadly as the seasonal flu....that is obviously a direct comparison. And it was because of computer model predictions ranging between roughly 1 to 2 million dead in the United States that countries all over the world have locked down their citizens.

So let's compare. Flu deaths in the United States can hit as high as 61,000 in a year as per the CDC. Given that the overall population has built up antibodies for the flu, and the fact that there is an annual vaccine....then it stands to reason that if the expert opinion was right the United States should expect around 600K dead from Covid-19....at least.

As I write this the United States is still under 10,000 which means things will have to get more than 6 times worse than they are now to reach levels seen in a normal flu season. If that ends up being the case, that Coronavirus really is no more deadly than the seasonal flu....then I worry about getting our civil liberties and freedoms back.

Swedes are said to place a high value on personal rights and freedoms....and have responded accordingly to the perceived threat. It would seems Swedes care more about individual liberty than Americans (or Canadians, of which I am one) which I find surprising.

As of an hour ago, there are 389 confirmed cases here in Vermont..

How many people in Vermont contract the flu during an average influenza season in Vermont? I'm just curious.

I have no idea..

I’m starting to think this is a discovery of a virus that has already been circulating for months who knows could been around since last fall or longer, there’s probably people who have had it months and months ago. the two ordered in Kentucky one infected one wasn’t both forced to wear ankle Monitors why the one without a positive test, it’s not like they could have the virus and isn’t showing up yet a test is a test either you have it or don’t and why would a judge order that person to be in the same house, that could be a death sentence for the one who doesn’t, that isn’t smart unless I’m not understanding something.

Herd immunity is a goal not a strategy.

With no sense of how many are infected, no knowledge of how many beds will be required, how many ventilators will be required?

I am really not seeing how liberties is part of this?

I was thinking the right to live free from harm from a negligent government would be at the top of the list?

When people die because they were no ventilators available because the government basically went with a crap shoot .....I hope there are class action lawsuits I think that would most appropriate.

yeah, that's the 'PROBLEM', the norm don't have any idea of that stats about the every-year-flu-seasonal-deaths)

no doubt that this is a REAL VIRUS, but, it seems as if people are not doing their home-work and comparing
the ACTUAL STATS with yearly-past-flus. tuberculosis is very present and real and contagious, right NOW,
no new news here' -
one must not 'believe' ONE WORD of the MEDIA or ONE WORD out of a POLITICIAN'S mouth,
for it is written:
'All men are liars'.
PS. 23:4.
Yes, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for YOU are with me;
Your rod and Your staff they comfort me.

Well with all due respect we have treatments for tuberculosis and the bacterial pneumonia which can be the result of the seasonal influenza virus.

When this SARS virus, it gets into the lungs a person actually needs assistance breathing because the virus is attacking the lungs causing them to be inflamed, and there is no proven effective treatment.

With a seasonal flu antibiotics are prescribed to treat the pneumonia, it is when those antibiotics fail that things get dire... a person may be placed on a respirator as doctors flood the body with every increasing antibiotics .. however sometimes people loose the fight, meaning the bacteria is replicating beyond the ability of the antibiotics to stop it.

I do not need the media to inform me of these facts.. one can know facts outside the media.

That is because you are only looking at the "surface" of the thing. There is a whole lot more [depth] to it than you realize.

What if you should discover that a - not negligent, but deliberate - [shadow] government made this thing in a laboratory and intentionally injected it into various populations for reasons that are political or follow an agenda (And you believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was indeed a fact.) -- do you think that might change your perspective a bit?

And, if they can do it once they can do it again and again and again.

Is this the way you would want everyone, their children, and their grandchilden to live for the rest of their lives?

Or, should people [have the guts to] "stand up together" and make it clear that "governments exist to serve the people (preserving their liberty), not to keep them in fear (destroying their liberty)" and "we will not sit idle and accept this as a [continual] fate"...?

Do you truly understand the meaning of the following famous quote?

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

What kind of life is really worth living if you cannot live it free?

This is one of the things that many are concerned about today.

(i.e. - "Where is this headed?")

Please refrain from speaking against it until you understand it sufficiently well enough to have a fully-informed opinion...

just a share:

several years ago, a much beloved older' neighbor became very ill with what appeared to be a lung/chest distress,
and his wife called me to see if I could help him in any way - and yes, he was having difficulty breathing and had
flu symptoms to boot - what I did was what I had learned as a child growing-up in the 50's, and that was to rub
his chest down with vicks-salve and rotate hot towels after they had cooled down...in just a couple of days, he
was up and about and seemed well and able to go about his daily routine...
just sayin', = 'old-school', but effective...

GaryA,
just because someone is not on the same soap-box as say 'we may be', we still must respect their views
and try and understand where they are speaking from in their life's journey - it's called compassion...

So you get to speak and I do not that is rich coming from someone touting liberty.

Isn't the whole point of freedom of speech is to allow dissenting opinions so that people can re-examine their beliefs... really funny!!!

I really do not get it ... this has been going on since 9/11, if not before, and now everyone is outraged about their liberties.

So where was everyone after 9/11 what happened to all those truthers... you know what they gave up because no cares.

The only real liberty now is living off the grid. Other than that you are dependent on the system.

Narrow the discussion what liberties are you referring to? .... rhetorical question .....I am not engaging this conversation further.

You are free to start a militia and be ready ... so far no one was stopping you.

Herd immunity is both a goal AND a strategy...the goal is obvious, the strategy is to not lock down the country. Flattening the curve is also a goal and a strategy...the goal is to keep health services from being overwhelmed, the strategy is to suspend civil liberties and freedoms and to lock nations down.

We shall see which one works better.....the guy who jumped 7 stories to his death while waiting the results of his coronavirus test will probably be listed as a coronavirus victim instead of suicide if the test comes back positive...even though the vast majority of people do recover.

It really is not a strategy at all. Strategy is an action, herd immunity is lack of action, unless we wants to redefine words.

I have never written a report and under strategy written "Do Nothing"

South Korea managed to test a huge selection of their population they remember and they keep remembering and have the ability to function as single unit for the most part when needed.

If anything blame our government's short nearsightedness especially at the federal level.... new viruses are always emerging.

Toronto had a direct experience with SARS and even with all the follow up reports and all the heads that rolled etc., Ontario is woefully lacking in preparedness.

Why because people do not care until it happens and governments only care about the next election.

So much of this could have been completely avoided.

Okay - damage control...

I can see right now that my last post came across in a way that I certainly did not intend - and, I apologize for that.

I need to take care of something right now IRL; however, I will address it - to try to correct it - later on this evening if the Lord is willing.

Doing nothing is a strategy every bit as much as doing something.....you believed the computer modeling that suggested coronavirus is at least 10x more deadly than the seasonal flu....others do not. Each belief will guide a response, those who believe the computer models should expect deaths from coronavirus to be higher than flu deaths by a factor of 10+.....for the United States that would mean 600,000+ deaths, because obviously without a vaccine or antibodies (herd immunity) coronavirus "should" be worse than a bad flu season in the United States.

Can we at least agree on that much?