Not By Works

Good News and Bad News:




miknik5,

has left the thread abruptly.

BAD NEWS

She landed on my Temple News thread and started to argue with me,
So I Warned Her, and gave her my first official WARNING.

Titus 3:10-11 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.


Yet another person ADDICTED to agruments.

The SDA have some really weird ideas all from EG White such as the "The investigative judgment" - this is a bizarre concoction of tripe:

There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and, began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.

Source of confusion

Folks that believe this kind of malarkey will fall for anything. But then they are the source of the great disappointment when JC failed to return in 1844.

John said if that which you HEARD from the begining

He did not say that which you entrusted.

so sorry your wrong

I already showed you where John said a child of God can not live in sin.

Let me show you something else he said

remember John said he who is born og God can not sin. because he has been born of God

Well he says later that they have also overcome the world. Not because they works, or stopped sinning, but because they entrusted their lives to Jesus

1 John 5: 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

John also shows that whoever is born of God, through their faith, also Has eternal life.

1 John 5: 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, [e]and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Now of course, Explain why Jphn said we can KNOW WE have life eternal. if he really as you claim, teaches our life is conditional?



Nope. he said a saint can not live in habitual sin.

A backslider is still a christian, he is just a christian who is under chastening.

Any person who is born of God, is by definition a saint (set apart) we are set apart by God, and given the power to become his sons and daughters because he gave us that right, when we believed in him (john 1)



yeah I saw what you did

You tried to compare a loving all powerful God with some pilot of some plane to try to prove to yourself that you are correct.

But it will not work on others, because we have come to Know the living God..

Are you trying to earn God’s grace?

so can you do us a favor. Stop judging us for things we would never even think of doing in the first place (not to mention, IT we did, God would chasten us, Who can withstand the chastening of God. can you? I know I could not) and start looking at your own sin, and judging yourself. as guilty as charged.

Hi!


You keep mentioning the Apostle Paul:

Gal 5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.
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Rom 7:15 For I don’t understand what I am doing. For I do not do what I want – instead, I do what I hate.

Even he (Paul) wrestled with "the flesh"
As all those who are His hate when we "miss the mark", you break one you broke them all.....
That why we have 1 john 1:9...cleanse the "garment stained by the flesh"...

I see know where @Phoneman-777 is getting his ideas.

Sad, sad
And the whole idea whole idea of soul sleep ..more sad...

Where is that verse in scripture that it is only sins past?

Yes the servant who can´t wait for HIS MASTER, who begins to beat his own servants...if he, this spiritual giant, knew HIS MASTERś GOOD WILL, he will receive more stripes than the servant who didn´t know and did the things that deserve stripes

First off, OSAS doesn't "teach" anything. We accept the Truth given to us about salvation.

Secondly, that "relationship" is established once and for all when we accept Christ and become saved, through the "gift" provided by God through His Son Jesus Christ. That is what a relationship is.

Thirdly, There is a difference between "relationship" and "fellowship." Fellowship can be broken and mended. My children cannot never end their relationship with me. Kids and mother forever. Our fellowship with one another can be broken.

Final thought, for you and those who preach works or hanging on to salvation: I would be very careful deciding who will be thrown into that lake of fire.

I argued with you?

I disagreed with you.

I do not agree that an earthly temple needs to be built...and only those in ignorance will build it...

Your attitude is Arguing. Now you are on my IGNORE LIST on all threads.


Titus 3:10-11 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Fair point.
I may not be the right one to ask. If you'd have read me before you'd know I was a professing Christian at one time and now have a bit of an issue of faith.
I can tell you what I can say about it now at this stage in my life, not as a walking Christian. It's called the good news because without it the bad news is you're going to suffer eternally in a place called hell.
There's a whole history behind how hell became what Christians today think of as bottomless, and full of fire and brimstone.
What someone like me asks is, if it is bottomless how does it come to be filled with fire and brimstone? And why would a God that is said to be a God of love and eternally benevolent create such a place to receive people? After he first created it to receive his first created angel and all those other angels that entered into a war in heaven so as to dethrone God. And why is it going to receive them in the far future only because they were all allowed to live by God after they lost that war. And were sent to earth by God, so as to plague humans all the days of their life.
Then for some reason God decided instead of it being a permanent suffering eventual abode of that angel and his followers, God decided to send fallen humans there too.
Why didn't God kill that angel Satan and those other angels after they dared make war on him in his own house, heaven? And after being cast out for that, why are they allowed to return to heaven and confer with God from time to time on how to mess with us? While he grants that to happen because they can't do anything unless he allows it.

Maybe it is called the good news because what it amounts to is once this life is over, you're dead. And you no longer have to live with the bad news that tells you in God's own words that all that I just described was predestined by him!

Hey, you asked. ;-)

How would you describe the following....

a. Using a whip to drive the money changers out of the temple

B. Using terms of derision like snakes, vipers, hypocrites or coffins filled with the bones of dead men


C. Using sarcasm to cut and belittle false teachers.

As a believer, there is NOTHING wrong with raking Jesus devaluing false liars and false teachers over the coals...NO where are we instructed to coddle them and or bend over backwards to appease them out of a false pretense of love.....ever!

can you lose this grace also?

In this Age of GRACE, can you lose this faith also, that GOD gave?

God Bless...

Agreed. However, the false Protestant idea that I'm already forgiven for sins I haven't even committed yet is curiously........

The age of grace

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Are we talking about the foundation of the earth?

HI!


The Church Age, the Dispensation of Grace, Age of Grace started on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

As you stated, His grace and plan of salvation has been seen since the beginning (Genesis-Revelation).

God Bless...

Trust is implied, is it not? Isn't faith defined as trusting in the unseen? John plainly says that if what we heard from the beginning remains in us, then we can continue in the Son and the Father. Math Science, Tech, Covenants, to name a few examples, are all governed by the "if/then" principle in which the demands of a condition must be met before a thing can be established...but when it comes to salvation, OSAS stubbornly refuses to recognize this principle.

In this case, the condition that must be met if we are to continue walking in God is that what we first heard remains in us..and if it ceases to remain in us, we will cease to walk with God - spiritual death. "He that hath not the Son hath not life."

BTW, the pilot analogy is an appropriate example. God is compared to many things in Scripture, is He not? Sower sowing seed, a Rich Man planting vineyards, a Husbandman hiring laborers, etc. No need to object with the "God is not a pilot" thing, right or wrong?

Judging who? I don't judge anyone - God is our Judge. But false doctrine? Ephesians 5:11 KJV commands us to expose it. OSAS seeks to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.