Genesis 3:16 He will rule over you.

Yes, God instructed Adam:

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


And Adam told Eve as is revealed in Gen 3 (the verses you submitted in Post #94).


satan deceived Eve:

1Timothy 2:14 ... but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


Adam was not deceived. He willingly ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and joined Eve in her transgression:

1Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived ...



Adam left his Father and joined his wife:

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father ..., and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

that is what that is when your saying something like God took the fruit it goes beyond a lot of things that would have to be if God was Adam, I’m not understanding that statement?

Sorry but no re-evaluating here. The plan truth is we have no idea of what Adam was actually thinking at the moment of his first sinful act and only God knows what both of them were thinking. Any opinion of what they might have been thinking is purely assumption with no scripture to back it up. Including my opinion. So please take a step back and judge yourself and admit that you are not God and have no proof to back up your assertions. Who said that God was in error? I know I didn't.

No wait a minute. "Dying you shall die" is a misnomer. So which is it??? Did they die or did they begin to die?? It is a contradiction, one can't be dying while living and be dead at the same time. You can't have both at the same time. Logically speaking your either dying or your dead.
So I looked up the word "die" in my Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon and the word "die" is talking about an affliction put on them by God for their disobedience. I don't think Adam and Eve actually had a life expectancy and were intended to live perhaps for every. But sin found its way into their lives and sin is death though death doesn't occur suddenly but over a period of time in this example. The heart of Adam and Eve never stopped beating, they never stopped breathing and they never fell down as if they were dead.
The Strong's number I used is H4191 and did not give the same info as you have given.
"Dying you shall die" is actually talking about dying and dying over a peroid of time always leads to death. Hence from the day we are born we begin to die and our whole life is spent in the process of dying until our time has come and we die. That is what the words "Dying you shall die" is talking about.

Adam saw that she didn’t die so he ate the fruit also Eve might have said see I didn’t die from eating it.

we do have scripture saying Adam was not deceived.
so any view we take of this in which we suppose he was deceived, is wrong. that includes being deceived by his wife just as much as being deceived by Satan.

we do have scripture saying Woman sinned first.
so any view we take of this in which we suppose Adam had 'failed' or 'sinned' by neglecting to prevent Woman from making this choice, is wrong, because it puts Adam in transgression before Woman.

we do have scripture saying Adam was not deceived.
so any view we take of this in which we suppose he was deceived, is wrong. that includes being deceived by his wife just as much as being deceived by Satan.

we do have scripture saying Woman sinned first.
so any view we take of this in which we suppose Adam had 'failed' or 'sinned' by neglecting to prevent Woman from making this choice, is wrong, because it puts Adam in transgression before Woman.

No He didn't for a lot of reason but one reason He didn't accept the Gaul is because it was laced with drugs. The idea of the Cross was to make the person on the cross suffer a long and painful death and the drugs were intended to do what drugs do. They would have cut down on the pain causing to person on the cross to suffer longer with less pain. Not to mention that it probably tasted pretty nasty.

I never said that Adam was deceived. I did say that Adam was conned by he wife. People get conned into doing something they know they shouldn't do every day. One of the meanings of the word "con" is to "deceitfully manipulate"

Another way to view the phrase, “Dying, ye shall die,” is to see the relationship between God and Adam, and Eve, as broken or dead. That relationship was predicated on “trust” or “faith” in God. They were dead in their trespasses just as the NT speaks of our deadness prior to our rebirth. Nothing that is not dead needs to be reborn. Adam and Eve needed their relationship with God fixed, so they once again could could live the life as He intended.

All mankind has a broken relationship with God. We are told God is a spirit and “must” be worshipped in, or by, or through the Holy Spirit. That lack of Spirit is what makes us “dead” and Adam and Eve both, in a sense, “Died” spiritually. That spiritual rebirth is what brings us into a “right” relationship with God and “reconciles” us to Him. We are born His enemies but become His Children and even friend when, by faith we trust in Him.

So to paraphrase , “Dying (spiritually) you shall die (physically).

Adam was with Eve when this all went down?

Not good enough. Neither Adam or Eve were dying physically or spiritually until after they ate the fruit and neither one of them fell dead after they ate. Eating the fruit started the process of dying until they eventually died, but not before they lived for hundreds of years.

was this not prophesied? why did He first taste it? where is the OT complement to tasting the gall and refusing it?

is it related to this -- ?

because i have heard it said that the sponge they dipped in the wine may be one used to wipe themselves in the latrine.

Eve knew what was going also

no, i don't think so. that would imply he was deceived or that he listened to Satan. he wasn't and he didn't.
the text isn't explicit that they were together at the time she ate & leaves room to be understood as though they weren't, and reason implies that he wasn't.

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it. Genesis 3:6

Not good enough. Neither Adam or Eve were dying physically or spiritually until after they ate the fruit and neither one of them fell dead after they ate. Eating the fruit started the process of dying until they eventually died, but not before they lived for hundreds of years.

that can't be true, because that puts Adam being deceived about whether death would result from eating the fruit.
the fruit about which God said, in the day you eat of it, dying you shall die.

Adam was not deceived, and God did not lie.

the 'he' in what i wrote is Adam, not God.

at some point in time, Woman stood before Adam having eaten of the fruit and having death entered into her.
a fallen woman before an unfallen, undeceived man.

what will God do if Adam eats also?
what will God do if Adam does not eat?
what will be if Woman eats of the tree of life, in the state she was presently in?

Adam was faced with these things, and he made a decision considering them. he decided to join her in sin, and he didn't make this decision because he was deceived. it wasn't the same decision that she had made. until Christ's incarnation, there was never again a moment in time when a sinless man was implored by a woman fallen in sin.

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it. Genesis 3:6