What if Daniel did have a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks?

This makes absolutely no sense. If you are suggesting that the resurrection of Christ ushered in the 70th week of Daniel, then that is PURE FANTASY. Firstly there is no mention of Christ's resurrection in Daniel 9, and secondly, the Church Age began after the resurrection, NOT the reign of the Antichrist and the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation.

What we see in these threads on Bible prophecy is a serious lack of comprehension about future events, because those posting have not really studied the matter in depth (meaning taking all the OT prophecies from Genesis to Malachi into account).

Thank you. I like this


I believe as Jesus said, and as Daniel prophesied

That an AOD will occur in the JEWISH temple. Putting an end to sacrifice and burnt offering. (remember, Jesus himself called the temple in his day his fathers house. Even though the sacrificial system had long since been conducted in Sin, by a people who would reject him, and would be destroyed in the near future)

I also believe this will occur in the middle of some 7 year covenant made between a future prince and as daniel says "Many"

I also believe, As Jesus said, When we see this, There will be a great tribulation, such as never has been seen before and will not be seen after. This tribulation will be so severe, that ALL life on Earth (all flesh) will be threatened. It will be "Stopped" by the return of Christ himself. who returns as he said, For the sake of the elect.

Okay cool, and it's always been my understanding that this would be the case as well. This was how I always heard it taught, and this is what poses a roadblock to the idea these things will happen in the future.

Okay now another point I've always heard Christians agree on is this idea that scripture is "closed", that if anyone is to add to the apostles words that are to be cursed. This is what keeps any of these false prophets like Joseph Smith, Mohammed, or L. Ron Hubbard a second listen right. The idea that He has spoken to us through the latter day through His Son Jesus Christ.
I think we can get an idea of the problem I'm building up to here. #1. no temple since God ended the age and judged the covenant breakers, so Fact, no temple today. #2 Huge problem, Jesus never commanded us to build a temple in His word, unless you can show me, but not only that, but a fact 1 billion times worse is that the temple pointed to Jesus, it was all about Jesus, the Messiah that died to redeem His creation, to reconcile man to God for those who repent and turn to Him. Now we are, is work is done, what sense does it make at all to bring back a whole system to point to something that already happen. This temple make God kind of irrational, in my opinion. My last point is in case the whole "the Jews build it on their own" kind of argument, my problem with anything like this is #1 all this stuff is said to take place in "God's Temple", a bunch of bricks stacked by men and called "gods temple" do not make it God's, plus ONLY God's true temple can even be desecrated.

This makes absolutely no sense. If you are suggesting that the resurrection of Christ ushered in the 70th week of Daniel, then that is PURE FANTASY. Firstly there is no mention of Christ's resurrection in Daniel 9, and secondly, the Church Age began after the resurrection, NOT the reign of the Antichrist and the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation.

What we see in these threads on Bible prophecy is a serious lack of comprehension about future events, because those posting have not really studied the matter in depth (meaning taking all the OT prophecies from Genesis to Malachi into account).

I want honestly just want truth, period.

There is no temple left for an abomination to stand in. That was destroyed in 70AD. So the abomination was the zealots using the temple as a fortress. The anti Christ are the Augustus from Titus to Diocletian fro 70 ad thru 298 ad. They persecuted the church and made who ever they captured pay tribute and sacrifice to the Augustus.

There is no temple left for an abomination to stand in.

Can you explain why you think they cause a roadblock?



ok,

1st, There seems to be a misunderstanding. Who said God commanded anyone to build a temple? No one I have ever heard, Was a student under, Wrote a book I have read. Or people I know thinks God commanded anyone to build a temple. So if this is one basis for a barrier for you. Well this barrier should be removed, Because no one has ever claimed or said this

2nd. Prophecy. Prophecy is the act of God telling prophets to write down things which will happen in the future, They are literal events, Not commands. But peak into some future event which will happen. And of course, they serve one purpose. To Prove to whoever witnessed those events, That the God who fortold those things, is the one true God of the universe Since no other God can do what God has done, Which is fortell future events, and they happen word for word exactly as God said they would happen. So prophecy is not adding to the word of God. It is taking what the word of God has already stated will happen. And interpreting has been fulfilled as fulfilled. and what has not yet been see as yet future, but we can have faith those future events will be just as fulfilled as the past events were fulfilled

3. This is not about salvation. The priest who went into the holy place for the three years of Jesus ministry did not do anything which caused the forgiveness of sin for one person. It was, as all temple things were A picture if you will. of what the true messiah would do to make atonement for the sin of all mankind. So to try to make this a salvic issue, as some are trying to do. Is to take all things out of context.

now concerning the temple and prophecy

God said it will happen Yep and it did just like He said, not like YOU say. He said within that generation.

I believe it will happen (because it has not happened yet<--- says you/not my authority)

No one will be saved by the jews rebuilding the temple Nope you're right, and it WILL NOT BE God's temple. That age is over forever, welcome to the age of grace and the kingdom of God, now not later. If you are born again you are in the kingdom.

No one will be saved because a priest re-enters the holy place on the day of atonement-duh, all completely pointless, like Jesus said "it is finished".

In fact, they jews who rebuild it are STILL in sin, Because if they received her messiah, they would never build the temple, and need God just like the rest of us, there is no Jew nor gentile, no male or female. I gotcha.

But again, This does not preclude the fact, God said it will be rebuilt, A prince will commit an AOD. Immediately following will be a great tribulation. which will ONLY be put to an end by the return of Jesus. No you are wrong here, you HAVE to presuppose another temple because you don't believe all these things are fulfilled. I do. God never says a 3rd temple will be built, please correct me with scripture if I'm wrong.

BTW you have a misunderstanding, I said God did NOT tell us to build a temple, see like in 1 Chronicles 6-7 He tells David Solomon is to build the temple. 6 “The Lord said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who will build my Temple. I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 I will make his kingdom last forever if he continues to obey carefully all my laws and commands as he does now.’ Without Him commanding it built, it's not His. See the point now because you're missing it.

OT prophecy also states, At the endof this tribulation. Israel will repent. Call out to JESUS (yes JESUS) as the tax collector did. Call out for him to come rescue them, and As the prophet says, that is exactly what he will do. He will save them, and the world (those who endure to the end) who have not rejected him. Nope and you acting like there is "another plan" for the Jews will send them to hell. EVERYBODY goes to the Father by Jesus only. The plan was fulfilled. They are to come to Him now, like ALL nations. Trying to push these events into the future messed ALL this up.

It all fits as a neat little puzzle. As long as we take prophecy for what it is.. And do not try to make it something it is not Yep and not your puzzle here, at all.

Prophecy of the temple is not for salvation. It is a look into the future of something That God has seen will happen. Duh, it's about the judgement that follows salvation.






I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.

If that was your plan what you could have said is "I don't really understand this. Could someone please clarify this prophecy?" But you made a statement to the effect that the resurrection of Christ ushered in the 70th week of Daniel. Which -- as I said -- is PURE FANTASY.

Now if you want the TRUTH about the matter, then you need to understand that the prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel will only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. It is only then (and actually after the Millennium) that everlasting or eternal righteousness will be established on earth. And that is the key to understanding this prophecy.

DANIEL 9: 24 -- GOD'S PLAN FOR ISRAEL AND THE WORLD
Seventy weeks... 490 years
are determined upon thy people... the nation of Israel
and upon thy holy city... Jerusalem
1. to finish the transgression... to destroy the Antichrist and his desecration of the temple
2. and to make an end of sins... to redeem and restore Israel under Christ
3. and to make reconciliation for iniquity... to reconcile believing Israel to God
4. and to bring in everlasting righteousness... to establish the righteous Kingdom of God on earth
5. and to seal up the vision and prophecy... to fulfil all prophecies
6. and to anoint the most Holy... to establish the eternal temple of God in Jerusalem with the most Holy Place.

Unless you carefully study the prophecy of Ezekiel, you will miss the meaning of the above interpretation.
No unless I look bat it like you say, I may end up concluding the works aren't saying what YOU'RE telling me

Now why is Daniel's 70th week (seven years) in the future? Because it pertains to the Antichrist (the prince that shall come) and the future temple in Jerusalem (with its sacrifices and oblations), which will be desecrated with the Abomination of Desolation.
What is going to be desolated?

And he [the prince that shall come] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [within the temple at Jerusalem], and for the overspreading of abominations [by erecting the image of the Beast within it], he shall make it desolate [trigger the judgments of the Great Tribulation] even until the consummation [when Christ returns], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the earth to be desolated before the Second Coming of Christ]. All finished (Dan 9:27)

And that is why there will be a future third temple erected in Jerusalem by Orthodox Jews who are expecting their "true" Messiah to come. Except that he will be a false Messiah.

Watch: Plans for Third Temple Have Begun
While most Jews mourn and pray, one organization has been busily preparing plans to rebuild.

"The Temple Institute has released a modern three-dimensional architectural rendition of the future Third Holy Temple, utilizing the latest building material and techniques..."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198621

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Can you explain why you think they cause a roadblock?

duh, all completely pointless, like Jesus said "it is finished".

Nope and you acting like there is "another plan" for the Jews will send them to hell. EVERYBODY goes to the Father by Jesus only. The plan was fulfilled. They are to come to Him now, like ALL nations. Trying to push these events into the future messed ALL this up.

Yep and not your puzzle here, at all

Duh, it's about the judgement that follows salvation.

“And after threescore and two weeks [= in the 70th week] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.” Daniel 9:26 (KJV 1900)

The good news is that there is no textual evidence of any Gap, and neither is there any Gap.
Have a watch of the first few minutes of this video where this subject is addressed.

Your "=in the 70'th week" is an assumption you add to the text. The text does not say that "Messiah is cut off" in the 70'th week. The text only says the Messiah is cut off after the 62 sevens!

Watched enough of this video to have a good chuckle!
He says that premillenialists teach that Jesus intended at his first coming to establish an earthly kingdom, but that Jewish opposition changed God's plan, and so the crucifixion was "Plan B" - !! ?? (Do any premillenianists out there believe this way?)

Here is Daniel 9:26,27 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I keep hearing some say that the text does not say there is a gap after the first 69 sevens. Only if you come to the text with the assumption that there is no gap and then read that assumption into the text.

A straightforward reading of the text gives two things that happen after the 62 sevens:
(1) the cutting off of the Messiah
(2) the destruction of Jerusalem (which happened in AD 70)

Then only in verse 27 is the seventieth week mentioned. Thus the logical assumption from the text is that the 70'th seven begins sometime after 70 AD. So the gap is clearly given in the text.

Missing would be everything in scripture between Jesus’ baptism in the autumn of 27 AD., the onset of the 70th week. Running up through Stephen’s martyrdom in the autumn of 34 AD. Which marks the end of the 70th week.

This would mean no Christianity of the 70th week. No savior Jesus. No gospel. No crucifixion. No Pentecost or Holy Spirit. Or anything else that depends on all the missing pieces destroyed in the gap.

It would mean only a future Antichrist, exchanged for Christ in the 70th week. A Temple with Animal sacrifices. A different Messiah than the New Covenant provided. And centuries of wasted lives now in hell from what we would then call the cult of Christendom.

Daniel 9:26 says: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, " Jesus's crucifixion comes after the first 69 sevens. The gap is there and it explicitly says that the crucifixion will happen during the gap (after the 69 sevens).

I take it you are some kind of preterist?