Not By Works

The blood of Christ is insufficient to save THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T WANT IT.

The blood of Christ can't save the person who tramples on it in willful unbelief.

Your arguments have already been refuted in post #19 and elsewhere.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/

The immovable position is SAVED.

All sins are paid for the person who is believing.
You can't be a believer in Christ and commit the sin of blasphemy of the Spirit at the same time for you to even wonder if the blood of Christ covers it for the believer. Believers don't have that sin.

You’re making excuses for driving at a higher rate of speed then allotted. Speed kills. Just because other people sin in the same manner doesn’t mean you should join them.

What will be your excuse God forbid you ever have an accident and it is your excessive speed that attributes to someone else being injured?

@Judges1318, why do you believe God would save people and then unsave them? Do you believe God knows everything and that he knows who are His ( see 2 Timothy 2:19)?

A salvation that can be lost... IS a cross without power and a weak incapable Saviour.

Dude, you’re a sinner, period. What differentiates you from some sinners is that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore God’s grace is upon you, as it is for everyone who has faith in Him.

My previous responses to this issue sufficiently speak for for themselves.

Wrong again.

A saving faith isn't about meeting some quota, it is about whom you place your faith in.

(Belief in, trust in, confidence in, loyalty/ fidelity to)

Those who believe in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, will be born again.

You deny the ability of the Savior to save.

No.

A salvation that is lost IS a cross that wasn't carried by the ex-believer. He had a strong and capable Saviour. He just didn't want to partake in the sufferings.

Because we’re human beings, made in the image of God yet in need of a Savior. A Savior who’s grace covers all sins throughout one’s life. A savior who’s gifts are irrevocable.

You give yourself credit for your salvation while not giving Jesus Christ the credit He should receive ~~ all of it.

Works salvation ^^^^

So sad.... complete contradiction, you guys are really good at that.

How much suffering makes one worthy.
Do you sweat blood when you pray?

Translation:

You have no excuse for breaking the law other than your narcissistic arrogance.

Indeed.

I cannot for the life of me understand the complete contradiction.

Yes, Jesus saves ............... No, I save myself.

These people are great at cognitive dissonance, that is for sure.

Not even close.

Reformed theologians of the centuries decided the person sanctified by the blood couldn't possibly be a believer because they conclude beforehand that since osas is true it can't be a believer. That's the famous circular reasoning of osas doctrine.

So, to avoid the obvious contextual definition of the sanctified person given right there in Hebrews 10, they picked out an example of a sanctified unbeliever (not sanctified by the blood) and said that's what it must be talking about because osas is true and it can't be anything else.

Besides that definition of the sanctified person defying what the passage itself says is the sanctified person, there is no such thing as a sanctified, fake unbeliever set apart by God as clean for the church. The Bible plainly tells us they are unclean, not sanctified, and are to be removed from the congregation:

"9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—
11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” - 1 Corinthians 5:9,11,13

14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial b ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
17Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15,17


So your sanctified person in Hebrews 10:29 doesn't even exist! God doesn't sanctify (set apart as clean) fake believers in the church. Reformed theologians, who should know better, invented a sanctified person in the church that doesn't even exist! And they did it to avoid the obvious non-osas message of Hebrews 10. Shame on them. They have led millions astray.

You have yet to explain how believing in Christ is a person saving themselves.

Even if it was out of narcissistic arrogance, and not because of a willful disregard and a trampling on and abuse of the Spirit of grace, it's covered under the blood and his Dad will deal with it.

The only reason anyone should be defensive about this is if they are purposely tramping on the Blood and abusing the Spirit of grace.
Do you ever sin that way?
I don't think you do, but if you do, or any of us do, we got something to worry about.

This new osas deceives people into thinking they can sin that way.
It's very, very dangerous theology.
This isn't just another theological dispute.

At least the old osas defended the necessity to live holy and not sin.
The new osas says it doesn't matter in the least bit to your salvation.
That's just not true.

Don't you mean "keep believing sec by sec with all your power and might in Christ"
This is not believing in Christ actually because it denies His complete response to the one act of belief.

You are very disingenuous you know that, you change your argument all the time. At least I am consistent.

You have yet to come to terms with John 3:1-21 and you never will.

One physical birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed
One spiritual birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed