Servus Christi on YouTube......anyone watching his polemics?

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Sans

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I am merely sounding an alarm. Furthermore, I am not anti-reformed. As for Begg, try if you will to find ONE SERMON where he declares his own end-time eschatological views clearly. IMO Begg is a closet amillenialist and preterist. There was one short sermon on Matt 24 and he was a mess. Begg holds to the Sethite view of Gen 6....ridiculous. R.C. Sproul was a classical Reformed Theologian, will all the baggage of error.

Chuck Missler is my mentor personally. His views are the closest to the mark as I can find.
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I think we are Brothers from different Mothers. Except I am a classic dispensationalist, as is my mentor Chuck Missler.
 
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Sans said:
I think we are Brothers from different Mothers. Except I am a classic dispensationalist, as is my mentor Chuck Missler.
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No exceptions, as I am a dispensationalist also, though I dislike labels.
 
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I do not know if their salary info is right or much else about this debate. I do know that MacArthur has berm outspoken about the 'prosperity gospel' and some of the nonfamous preachers whose teaching he would disagree with make less than that.

Parts of California are very expensive. The state takes a big cut and housing costs are high. I had a chat with a former university chancellor about his work in California. The salary was great. He took the job. But he would have been better off financially with a lower salary in many other places. I am not sure what staff salaries of 150k translate into in other states, btw.

Am no fan if MacArthur btw. He is right on a pot if things abd is bold about it on Larry King Live. But I read his old interpretation , some nonsebse about 'tongue' being pagan in I Corinthians 14, using the oracle of Delphi as an exegetical key to I Corinthians 14, opposing a gift of the Spirit in the very pages of scripture. Plutarch worked at. The temple at Delphi and defended their prophecies being given in prose not high poetry so the cultural context for his commentary was likely a fabrication. This is a dangerous approach to scripture considering Jesus warned those who accused the Spirit by which He cast out demons of being Beelzebub.
 
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The apostasy in the church, especially by the most famous, being pointed out and held against scripture is a sounded trumpet to keep us aware and able to heed the warning of our Lord that we "be not deceived". If anything, we need more like Servus Christi. Do I agree with everything he has to say?.. 98%
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As for Jacob Prasch... We would all do well to listen to his prophecy updates. He is an amazing researcher and he has a mind like a steel cage.
 
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no true Christian has a 'human-mentor' - Spiritual discernment will lead one to acknowledge
and learn from others who Love Christ and are serving Him, by and by in their walk, but on
the whole, we believe most 'true teachers' have quite a few years and scars on their backs...
just say'in, be very careful in your choice of who you follow according to how you believe or
maybe choosing someone that makes you feel validated in your own certain persuasion -
be-very-careful, as this could lead one into a life or death situation...
 
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oldethennew said:
no true Christian has a 'human-mentor' - Spiritual discernment will lead one to acknowledge
and learn from others who Love Christ and are serving Him, by and by in their walk, but on
the whole, we believe most 'true teachers' have quite a few years and scars on their backs...
just say'in, be very careful in your choice of who you follow according to how you believe or
maybe choosing someone that makes you feel validated in your own certain persuasion -
be-very-careful, as this could lead one into a life or death situation...
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Yes, though we may hear out teachers, the Scriptures alone are to be our final authority in spiritual matters of faith and practice.
 
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crossnote said:
Yes, though we may hear out teachers, the Scriptures alone are to be our final authority in spiritual matters of faith and practice.
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Crossnote... Your opening statement is completely erroneous. We can't be mentored in our Christian walks and understanding of scripture? What do you think is meant by making disciples? Lord, give us understanding.
 
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Sans said:
Crossnote... Your opening statement is completely erroneous. We can't be mentored in our Christian walks and understanding of scripture? What do you think is meant by making disciples? Lord, give us understanding.
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I never said we can't be mentored. I said that when we are taught we are to check out that teaching from Scripture, whether the teaching comes by man or a spirit. The Bereans were taught by none other than the Apostles YET,...
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Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 
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crossnote said:
I never said we can't be mentored. I said that when we are taught we are to check out that teaching from Scripture, whether the teaching comes by man or a spirit. The Bereans were taught by none other than the Apostles YET,...
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Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
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Excuse me... You said, "no true Christian has a 'human-mentor' "
 
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oldethennew said:
no true Christian has a 'human-mentor' - Spiritual discernment will lead one to acknowledge
and learn from others who Love Christ and are serving Him, by and by in their walk, but on
the whole, we believe most 'true teachers' have quite a few years and scars on their backs...
just say'in, be very careful in your choice of who you follow according to how you believe or
maybe choosing someone that makes you feel validated in your own certain persuasion -
be-very-careful, as this could lead one into a life or death situation...
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Your opening statement is completely erroneous. We can't be mentored in our Christian walks and understanding of scripture? What do you think is meant by making disciples? Lord, give us understanding.
 
UnitedWithChrist

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cv5 said:
I am merely sounding an alarm. Furthermore, I am not anti-reformed. As for Begg, try if you will to find ONE SERMON where he declares his own end-time eschatological views clearly. IMO Begg is a closet amillenialist and preterist. There was one short sermon on Matt 24 and he was a mess. Begg holds to the Sethite view of Gen 6....ridiculous. R.C. Sproul was a classical Reformed Theologian, will all the baggage of error.

Chuck Missler is my mentor personally. His views are the closest to the mark as I can find.
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Actually, Alistair Begg is a very good teacher.

Maybe he doesn't declare his end time eschatalogical views all the time because it's not a high priority in his mind. Maybe he's more concerned with core salvation and Christian living principles.

I agree with him. As a member of a cult that focused on end times, I'm done playing "pin the tail on the antiChrist" and reading the Bible in one hand, and the newspaper in the other. When Christ said to "watch", he was talking about watching our spiritual condition, not comparing the newspaper to the Bible.

And, I don't think Christians are going to bail out on the Tribulation and avoid the suffering that is associated with it. God uses suffering to conform his people to the image of Christ. The real ones will be faithful witnesses to Jesus, to the end.

I doubt he is a preterist. I hope that he is an amillennialist and a partial preterist, because in my estimation that is the true position.

Regarding Genesis 6, I believe it is very possible the Sethite view is correct. It is a legitimate, sound position.

I don't know much about Chuck Missler except the Calvary Chapel types like him. I used to attend a Calvary Chapel church, long ago. At least they attempt to exegete Scripture, but they are dispensationalists and my position on that is clear. I am definitely not dispensationalist because it is not consistent with the doctrine of union with Christ. Both Jew and Gentile Christians are one man in Christ, and their destiny, as children of Abraham, is to inherit the entire creation together, not separately.
 
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UnitedWithChrist said:
Actually, Alistair Begg is a very good teacher.

Maybe he doesn't declare his end time eschatalogical views all the time because it's not a high priority in his mind. Maybe he's more concerned with core salvation and Christian living principles.

I agree with him. As a member of a cult that focused on end times, I'm done playing "pin the tail on the antiChrist" and reading the Bible in one hand, and the newspaper in the other. When Christ said to "watch", he was talking about watching our spiritual condition, not comparing the newspaper to the Bible.

And, I don't think Christians are going to bail out on the Tribulation and avoid the suffering that is associated with it. God uses suffering to conform his people to the image of Christ. The real ones will be faithful witnesses to Jesus, to the end.

I doubt he is a preterist. I hope that he is an amillennialist and a partial preterist, because in my estimation that is the true position.

Regarding Genesis 6, I believe it is very possible the Sethite view is correct. It is a legitimate, sound position.

I don't know much about Chuck Missler except the Calvary Chapel types like him. I used to attend a Calvary Chapel church, long ago. At least they attempt to exegete Scripture, but they are dispensationalists and my position on that is clear. I am definitely not dispensationalist because it is not consistent with the doctrine of union with Christ. Both Jew and Gentile Christians are one man in Christ, and their destiny, as children of Abraham, is to inherit the entire creation together, not separately.
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Get a concordance and see the term "fullness". Of course God is keeping a schedule. Furthermore, putting your trust in the interpretations Origen and Augustin is folly. Doctrines of men vs the commandments of God. And the rapture is boilerplate.
 
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Bible discussion is one thing, discussing the Bible

This being a forum should have people here to dialogue, not dialoging about what people have written, sometines in stone.
 
Sans

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UnitedWithChrist said:
Actually, Alistair Begg is a very good teacher.

Maybe he doesn't declare his end time eschatalogical views all the time because it's not a high priority in his mind. Maybe he's more concerned with core salvation and Christian living principles.

I agree with him. As a member of a cult that focused on end times, I'm done playing "pin the tail on the antiChrist" and reading the Bible in one hand, and the newspaper in the other. When Christ said to "watch", he was talking about watching our spiritual condition, not comparing the newspaper to the Bible.

And, I don't think Christians are going to bail out on the Tribulation and avoid the suffering that is associated with it. God uses suffering to conform his people to the image of Christ. The real ones will be faithful witnesses to Jesus, to the end.

I doubt he is a preterist. I hope that he is an amillennialist and a partial preterist, because in my estimation that is the true position.

Regarding Genesis 6, I believe it is very possible the Sethite view is correct. It is a legitimate, sound position.

I don't know much about Chuck Missler except the Calvary Chapel types like him. I used to attend a Calvary Chapel church, long ago. At least they attempt to exegete Scripture, but they are dispensationalists and my position on that is clear. I am definitely not dispensationalist because it is not consistent with the doctrine of union with Christ. Both Jew and Gentile Christians are one man in Christ, and their destiny, as children of Abraham, is to inherit the entire creation together, not separately.
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I have listened to hours of Begg. I've enjoyed his teaching and never heard anything that shot up a red flag... Everything else you commented on is out in left field IMO.
 
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Sans said:
I have listened to hours of Begg. I've enjoyed his teaching and never heard anything that shot up a red flag... Everything else you commented on is out in left field IMO.
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I like Alistair Begg and said nothing against him.
 
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