Are lockdown measures inviting a tsunami of death and destruction?

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p_rehbein

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  1. Domestic abuse on the rise with safer at home orders in place
    www.weau.com/content/news/Domestic-abuse-on-the...
    EAU CLAIRE, Wis. (WEAU) -- Since the stay at home order was put in place, a local domestic violence resource center says domestic violence is on the rise. "We know on a national level that rates ...

  2. Domestic disputes are on the rise as stay-at-home orders continue
    www.wthitv.com/content/news/A-rise-in-domestic...
    Some advocacy groups fear an increase in domestic abuse cases as the stay a home order continues. It's unfortunately not something new. Domestic violence happens every day, but right now we are seeing an increase in domestic abuse.

  3. Abuse numbers rise as people continue to shelter in place ...
    www.kcentv.com/article/news/crime/abuse-numbers...
    TEMPLE, Texas — Police departments across the U.S have reported a spike in domestic violence and child abuse cases as stay-at-home orders are set in place. Experts said the increases, however, are...

  4. Domestic Violence Rises Worldwide as the Coronavirus Rages ...
    msmagazine.com/2020/04/07/domestic-violence...
    Apr 07, 2020 · Domestic Violence Rises Worldwide as the Coronavirus Rages 4/7/2020 by Barbara Crossette Reports of domestic violence are rising as COVID-19 races across the planet and people are ordered to stay home.

  5. Surge In Domestic Violence Cases In San Francisco Since COVID ...
    sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/04/11/coronavirus...
    Apr 11, 2020 · SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX) – With couples and families under stay at home orders, reports of domestic violence are up in San Francisco, according to Mayor London Breed. In the first week of shelter in ...
 
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Thanks PR,
most would never ever even give these things a thought, but oh my, how these very things are going to effect
the future is heart-breaking, to say the least...
again,
Thanks Brother for sharing 'truth's that most would never think of or want to think of'...
 

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It's ALL about the DATA!!!

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

Dr. David Katz: Coronavirus vaccine or herd immunity are only ways life can fully return to normal
https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity

Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD Crushes Dr. Fauci Exposes Birx, Clintons, Bill Gates, And The W.H.O

BE SMART & BE SAFE! Golden rules to live by in the age of an inevitable New Normal... Inform people with the truth and entrust them to own their livelihood and the livelihood/welfare of their family, friends, fellow brother-en and humanity...
 

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Now with data coming out of NYC, California and other places by researchers at esteemed colleges and universities like Stanford, USC and Oxford among others...that the overall mortality rate is less than 0.5% and possibly as low as 0.1% which would put it on par with the seasonal flu at the low end.

Now are we finally ready to start examining the enormous damage lockdown measures are going to have?

The United Nations is warning of a global famine of "Biblical Proportions" caused by the pending financial crisis of shutting down a big chunk of the global economy: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...hreats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

If you're living in the west and are more concerned about issues close to home, Christianity Today is doing an amazing job highlighting the damage being done to the poor and marginilized by the measures being taken:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...k_04PGWGyMEyzfVjLYiAF2brc9GdNXSy4XBsUbJBh_oRY

I've seen suggestions that anyone protesting lock down measures, that they should be forced to work in a NYC nursing home or ICU. Maybe everyone complaining about protesters should be forced to go to East Africa to help the 300,000 people who are forecast to die every single day over a 3 month period toward the end of this year.
Fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results
The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers



It's a social experiment with markers of herd immunity.
Some states are claiming they'll fine people who do not wear a mask $1000.00!
When we already know that the typical masks we see people wearing are of none effect in protecting against exposure due to the gaps on the sides and above and below the bridge.

We also know that sunny states, like Florida and California, are the best defense against virus due to UV rays exposure. Cooping ones self up in their house is the worst thing someone can do. Fresh air and sunshine, Vitamin D, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, and oxygenating the blood through activity, walking, jogging, exercise, are medicines to combat this virus.

Yes, it is a conspiracy "Alice". And now with Dr.Fauci having said this virus could reappear in the fall, one wonders just how deep it will go.
Protests in California, southern California, are ramping up as this is also a Constitutional issue. The organizer there being repeatedly threatened with arrest. First under a felony charge and now the latest threat being that of a midemeanor.
Police state tactics are being reported too and of course those offenders are police.

But we can't discount the criminal element exploiting this as is typical.
Florida parents caught selling free meals from school w/video
"...Parents will have to give their child’s name and school ID number in order to pickup food, and so they cannot pickup more than once. "
How was that not policy from the start? Hopefully it is, will be, in all states after this bit of news.
 

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While I can agree with a lot of what you say I would make one exception, anyone 60+ and/or those with condidtions like diabetes, asthma or any others that increase the risk of death, they should not being out working...and gov't (us) should be subsidising them.
I'm 65 and I am out there working as my job is considered essential. I don't think the government should be subsidizing anyone. In reality, it is the hard working taxpayer that is paying for these subsidies.
 
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I'm 65 and I am out there working as my job is considered essential. I don't think the government should be subsidizing anyone. In reality, it is the hard working taxpayer that is paying for these subsidies.
If you have no underlying health conditions, and a robust immune system....then it seems to me that, based on what we know thus far, that you should be fine. Others however are not as fortunate.
 
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it is the hard working taxpayer that is paying for these subsidies.
The money does not exist so the economy will pay. Although Trump says they are paid for by the Tariffs that are charged on what we import from China. So we pay when we spend our money and the prices are higher.

During the last crash of the housing market they loaned money that did not exist. There were people that lost their home because the payments were so much higher than they should have been. The Banks got bailed out but no on helped the people that had to give up their home.
 
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Let's hold the corrupt people in governments to account first,
There is only one corrupt person but a lot of people trusted him. I trusted him. I use to trust science more than I do now. I think he should have to give an account of himself before Congress and answer whatever questions they have for him. Everyone trusted him and everyone put their signature on the 1.2 trillion dollar budget: congress, the senate and the president. There are people that say he was considered to be the most trusted person in Science and yet there are 200,000 people dead. This is something we need to look into. The president says he is doing an investigation. We will see if he really does or if he is a part of the cover up.
 

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I have a hard time thinking of Christianity Today, given its ardent pro-life stance, as Liberal.....I simply consider the publication to be Christian. The numbers I'm seeing in Canada suggest that of identified cases only 2-4% are listed as serious, including some critial. And with all the asympotmatic unidentied cases out there every day going in and out of the supply chain, infecting product and packaging in grocery stores pharmacies and all the rest its likely only 1% or so requiring medical attention.....

We're starting to see all the damage being done, not by the virus but by lockdown measures.....its becoming more and more obvious that the Christian and humane thing to do is to start lifting lock down measures so as to lessen the misery, not increase it.
My son-in-law is a doctor in Calgary. He has basically been laid off since elective surgeries were cancelled waiting for the rush of COVID-19 patients that never came. And Calgary has the highest number of cases in western Canada. The hospitals are almost empty everywhere.

And that includes an idiot health officer Trudeau appointed, who is one of the 7 top doctors in WHO. She literally led Canada astray in every single aspect of the disease, and yet, we still haven't had it back.

I am still extremely careful with my suppressed immune system, heart disease and lung damage. I am still isolating, going in 9 weeks. But, with care, most cases could have been prevented. Sometimes I do think this whole pandemic is a plot by China and the UN to take over the world. Only time will tell, I guess.

None-the-less, I have great compassion and pity for all those who have died because of this virus. Too many unnecessary deaths!
 
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While I can agree with a lot of what you say I would make one exception, anyone 60+ and/or those with condidtions like diabetes, asthma or any others that increase the risk of death, they should not being out working...and gov't (us) should be subsidising them.
The Gov is not subsidising us. They are running a pyramid scheme to take the money from the next generation to pay back the money they stole from us. Social Security was very well funded and there was more than enough money to pay for our retirement. The reason for this virus is to get rid of old people so no one has to pay for them. This is the way communists think. They have no regard for human life because they have so many people. So like Nazi Germany they want to get rid of the dead weight and the people that do not pay their way and contribute. I was trained for the VietNam war and a lot of our training was on how to be on guard for the traps that Charlie sets for people. I have a friend that had a leg blown off from a claymore mine because Charlie set a trap for him. That is a story all in itself. Still the Bible says to love our enemy and do good even when their intentions are evil and that is exactly what we do. We continue to do good no matter how evil their intentions are.
 
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And that includes an idiot health officer Trudeau appointed
We have the same problem here with the director of the NIH. I have wondered for years how they can spend all that money and do all that research and so little seems to come out of it in return for the amount of money that was spent.
 
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Too many unnecessary deaths!
Too much money was spent keeping people alive. They can not continue to do that. It is to their credit though that they did give the baby boomers back what they paid in. It just does not look like there is anyone to do that for this next generation. They want paid now and they are not willing to save money for their retirement the way our generation did. It was a lot of sacrifice to have money to live on as we got older.
 

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Thanks Brother for sharing 'truth's that most would never think of or want to think of'...
The total shutdown of North America over the COVID19 pandemic since about the middle of March 2020 has had a tremendous negative impact all around, particularly in how Democratic governors have become tyrannical, and loss of civil liberties has taken place (to say nothing of all the other serious issues which have come about).

After looking at the timeline of this pandemic, it would appear that a total shutdown was not necessary, provide the governments of the United States and Canada had acted in concert, and acted as soon as WHO announced that the coronavirus outbreak was a global health emergency.

This announcement was made on January 30, 2020: The World Health Organization announced Thursday that the outbreak of a deadly and fast-spreading strain of coronavirus constitutes a global health emergency.” (NPR)

On January 31 the response from the administration was that Any foreign national who has traveled within China in the last 14 days will not be allowed to enter the United States, according to a proclamation from President Trump.” A rather weak response. But incoming flights from China were not stopped immediately. Then on March 11 travel from 26 European countries was banned, and it was only on March 13, that a national emergency was declared. So for about a month and a half the US government did virtually nothing.

But here is how a total shutdown of the economy of North America could have been avoided completely.

1. QUARANTINE FACILITIES: Since the USA has had pandemics coming from China (and other parts of the world) on a regular basis, Mr. Trump should have ordered the setting up of proper quarantine facilities at every international airport and port soon after he took office. There are only 20 such facilities in the whole of America (and perhaps not even adequate for hordes of travelers).

2. BORDERS: Both the northern and southern borders should have been shut down completely on January 31 for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

3. INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS: All international travelers should have been quarantined on January 31, and released after proper testing.

4. INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS: All international flights into and from the USA should have been stopped on February 1, for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

5. CANADA: The Canadian government should also have been asked to shut down all international flights on February 1 for the same period. Lack of cooperation would result in serious repercussions.

6. INTERSTATE TRAVEL: All non-essential and non-emergency interstate travel should have been shut down for 30 days, following which the situation should have been assessed.

As one can see, the control of the entry of infected people from outside North America was a rather simple matter. But it needed to be enforced properly and immediately, and no exceptions should have been allowed. This would have easily prevented the total shut down of America, and all the issues it has raised (including the numbers who were infected and who died).

Furthermore, Dr. Ben Carson (an accomplished medical surgeon) is already in the Trump administration. There was nothing to stop him from being appointed as the Head of any task force put together to develop further strategies. He should have been the voice of the administration, and there was no need for Mr. Trump to have daily battles with the hostile media.

Since Trump vowed to drain the swamp, and Fauci and Birx were an integral part of the swamp, he did not fire them three years ago, and therefore they took control of the total fiasco which has subsequently occurred. Mr. Trump gets an F for failing to vet these conspirators and to set up a proper task force, as well as for failing to properly drain the swamp in every department.

Furthermore, the nation was allowed to be distracted and impoverished by the bogus Mueller Witch Hunt and the even more bogus Impeachment Hoax, all of which could have been (and should have been) shut down under the Constitution and existing laws. The Democrats had everyone focused on their phony impeachment efforts while the country was under attack.
 
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This announcement was made on January 30, 2020: The World Health Organization announced Thursday that the outbreak of a deadly and fast-spreading strain of coronavirus constitutes a global health emergency.” (NPR)
According to Wiki the Huanan Seafood Market had been closed on 1 January 2020 for "cleaning and disinfection. Shi Zhengli’s the notorious batwomen said she was notified on Dec 30, 2019. At first there were 8 and then 42 patients. So if WHO did not do anything until a month later they let this disease alone for to long.

there was no need for Mr. Trump to have daily battles with the hostile media.
It is easy to look back to see what should have been done. It is not always easy to predict the future and to see what should be done.
 

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Now with data coming out of NYC, California and other places by researchers at esteemed colleges and universities like Stanford, USC and Oxford among others...that the overall mortality rate is less than 0.5% and possibly as low as 0.1% which would put it on par with the seasonal flu at the low end.

Now are we finally ready to start examining the enormous damage lockdown measures are going to have?

The United Nations is warning of a global famine of "Biblical Proportions" caused by the pending financial crisis of shutting down a big chunk of the global economy: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...hreats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

If you're living in the west and are more concerned about issues close to home, Christianity Today is doing an amazing job highlighting the damage being done to the poor and marginilized by the measures being taken:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...k_04PGWGyMEyzfVjLYiAF2brc9GdNXSy4XBsUbJBh_oRY

I've seen suggestions that anyone protesting lock down measures, that they should be forced to work in a NYC nursing home or ICU. Maybe everyone complaining about protesters should be forced to go to East Africa to help the 300,000 people who are forecast to die every single day over a 3 month period toward the end of this year.
yep, people seem only to care about themselves its showing how selfish people can be. Jesus says for us to love our neighbours..and the way to love is to show compassion and kindness.

there has been deaths in nursing homes near where I live. Hospital staff are rightly concerned...if there are not enough hosptials to take people, field hosptials will need to be set up otherwise you have people dying in the streets. the lockdown measures are to PREVENT huge numbers of people dying, because if more people die, well you wont even have an economy anyway.
 

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its not just in places like NYC but close knit communities as well. Of course, people will protest anything if they cant just live as they please and make money.

those that live on farms or working in hosptials etc arent doing it for the economy, they are working to help people, you know EAT and survive.
 

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According to Wiki the Huanan Seafood Market had been closed on 1 January 2020 for "cleaning and disinfection.
The story about the Huanan Seafood Market was CHINESE DISINFORMATION. We now know that the virus escaped from the Wuhan Lab. But you are correct in that China knew about this virus long before that (probably from September). Indeed they applied for a patent for a vaccine (reverse engineered, but that's another story) the day after President Xi made his announcement. And Fauci knew about this virus even earlier, since he provided 3.7 million dollars to that lab for research on coronavirus.