No more Pig Meat!

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Roughsoul1991

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I do not know how that works. It was not a dream so it must have been some sort of a vision. I remember it took him like 3 seconds to get there, we talked for around 6 seconds, although he did most of the talking. Then it took him about 3 seconds to get back to the area he was from. They sort of give you packets of information. Even though the Bible calls then scrolls. Paul said: "It is written" so I looked to see what was written. David used the word GOOD and Paul changed this to the word RIGHT. So my question was why did he change the word like that.

I had a dream once about a daughter I have in heaven and that was very vivid. The experience I had with Paul I was almost blind. I could barely make anything out. Even though I just knew who he was. If you think it is just my imagination that if fine. That would not change anything. The library is filled with books that are both fiction and nonfiction. So if people want to think all the books about heaven are just fiction, I do not see what difference that makes. Archetypes are universal. Even science accepts that.
Because the Bible tells us how to interpret such things. In a quick explanation we are to filter it through the Word. If it doesn't match then we reject it because it was from demonic influence. I'm simply saying what has been promoted here doesn't match the Word of God in less you was a ancient Israelite.
 

Roughsoul1991

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"The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox." (Isaiah 11:7) It would appear at some point in time we will not be eating animals. Nor will they be devouring each other.
And? How does that affect today?
 

Roughsoul1991

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Read it. Your argument is with Him, not me.
Lol I read it. No where in verse or context does it make your claim evident. That is your presupposition onto the verse. The verse alone or context doesn't support your belief.
 

KhedetOrthos

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Lol I read it. No where in verse or context does it make your claim evident. That is your presupposition onto the verse. The verse alone or context doesn't support your belief.
“The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

Like I said, the verse clearly revises the original vegetarian diet given in the Garden of Eden. Not a question of belief, it’s right there in black and white.
 

Roughsoul1991

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“The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

Like I said, the verse clearly revises the original vegetarian diet given in the Garden of Eden. Not a question of belief, it’s right there in black and white.
No....🙄 no it doesn't revise anything. It is a new command. Period. Stop with the nonsense.
 
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Science is archaic when it comes to the Bible. It took centuries just to agree that the universe did have a beginning.
For years I sold knives. A knife can be used for good or evil - life or death. It would appear that science can be used for good or evil also. There is talk that this virus is a biological weapon developed in lab. Or even if they were doing research for good it did not turn out that way and the virus escaped from them. People would say science is neutral and can be used for good or evil. To heal or to kill and destroy.
 

Moses_Young

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First, I am not American. I am Canadian! I do not listen to Trudeau and his gov't ever! And certainly not any other gov't, not my own! Don't assume that I am something I am not.
Accepting that 5G doesn't require safety testing is a position adopted by most governments. This is also your position, is it not? I have not assumed you are American, nor Canadian, nor anything else. I have assumed you adopted your government's position on the safety of 5G. Is this not correct?

Second, I have studied physics. A simple chart of where 5G sits with regards to radio waves, shows 5G to be in the same range as microwaves and cell phones. I remember when microwaves first came out, everyone was going to die, too! 5G is well below the frequency of visible light. I couldn't get this chart to post on my phone, but here is a link to it. Scroll down! (From the BBC, not American!)

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-48616174
Yes. We have all studied Physics. But some go on to learn that not everything in the textbooks was accurate or true. Microwaves are dangerous, by the way. That's why the ovens have shielding.

If you know anything about radio frequencies, look at the chart and see where 5G is, and that it is very low risk. Stop spreading your paranoia for your own gov't, and learn a little easy science, please!
As above. If 5G radiation, particularly 5G radiation at 60GHz, is so low risk, why the hesitation by governments to do a safety study? How can you make the claim it is safe without such a study? Are you one of these people who assumes every new technology is safe (e.g. thalidomide, smoking, drugs etc.) until enough people get sick or die to trigger investigations, which subsequently find it is not?

Don't you find it suspicious that these alleged coronavirus cases started to occur (or be propagandised) at the same time 5G is introduced, but instead of prompting a safety investigation into the obvious, a phantom virus is blamed, despite none of Koch's postulates being utilised to even determine the virus is the cause of the sicknesses, is contagious, or is even a virus at all?
 

Moses_Young

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Paul personally asked me why I was not living free from sin. So I know he did not teach anyone that it was ok to live the life of a sinner. 2 Peter 3:16 says: "His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

People can do what they want and they only harm themselves. The problem is when they harm others by approving of what they are doing: "God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them". (Romans 1:31)

People can do what they want but in no way should be give them our approval if what they are doing is harmful to themselves. Paul tells us MANY are weak and sick: "For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment." (1Cor11:29,30) Paul said many are weak and sick and the word MANY should cause us to pay attention to what he is saying.
This sounds like an interesting vision. Could you provide more detail on it?
 
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Like I said, the verse clearly revises the original vegetarian diet given in the Garden of Eden.
The word for FEAR here is מוֹרָא (mora) The first letter Mem represents water. This is the terror of the flood that just cleansed the earth. The next letter is a vav and this reverses the letters that follow it. The next letter is a Dalet and this represents the door. We see this in King David, Dalet Vav Dalet. He is king and he is a humble servant after the heart of God. Then the last letter in fear is Alef - this is the first letter in the alphabet. This has to do with heaven and earth united or divided. So what we allow through the door of our heart can unite us with God / Heaven or separate and divide us. Vav represents the word AND Heaven and Earth can be united or divided. Husband and wife can be united or divided. Our heart can be united or divided with the heart of God. It was never God's plan for the animals to devour each other. That is God's creation destroying itself when creation should be in harmony with itself. This is the serpent in the Garden of Eden that wants to cause division and destruction.

"The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other. So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." (Galations 5:14,15,16)
 

Roughsoul1991

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For years I sold knives. A knife can be used for good or evil - life or death. It would appear that science can be used for good or evil also. There is talk that this virus is a biological weapon developed in lab. Or even if they were doing research for good it did not turn out that way and the virus escaped from them. People would say science is neutral and can be used for good or evil. To heal or to kill and destroy.
Yes I didn't say it was bad or unneeded. I love science. But in comparison to the Bible science has its place but it will never contradict the Word of God in less God changes the laws of nature.
 
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This sounds like an interesting vision. Could you provide more detail on it?
Usually I could provide a lot of detail. In this case not that much. Like I said I am reading the Bible and Paul says: "As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God" (Romans 3:10) Because Paul says: "As it is written" I look up Psalm 14:1 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." David clearly tells us: "no one who does good". So I pray and I ask why does Paul change the word "good" to "right" or "righteous"? Then an angel shows up and it is as if I am instantly in Heaven. This is like the entrance area of Heaven. Then Paul shows up from whatever part of Heaven he is in. Like a city. It takes him 3 seconds to get there. It would be like if you could go from Anchorage Alaska to New York City in three seconds. So then Paul spend three seconds telling me about what David was talking about. I have studied David a little about how the law was given so we could be "good". Still I do not understand Pauls teaching but when they give you a packet of understanding then over time we start to understand. Next Paul explains his teaching and that takes three seconds. I already understand that because the Holy Spirit of God teaches us what it means to be righteous or right before God. Then Paul asks me why I am not living right before God. As I tell you this story is is playing on what David said: "no one does good". I did not realize that at the time. I just right now realize that. It takes Paul three seconds to get back were he was. So that was 12 seconds of his time. Although he may have spent up to three more seconds thinking of our conversation. The angel told me that Paul wrote or gave us Romans around 2,000 years ago but it was written for us today. He wanted to know how well we were receiving today what he wrote to us back then at the time of the early church. Today we are the latter day church. This is a time that is even greater then the beginning. So people in the past looked forward to our day. People in the future will look back on all of this that we are going through.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Usually I could provide a lot of detail. In this case not that much. Like I said I am reading the Bible and Paul says: "As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God" (Romans 3:10) Because Paul says: "As it is written" I look up Psalm 14:1 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." David clearly tells us: "no one who does good". So I pray and I ask why does Paul change the word "good" to "right" or "righteous"? Then an angel shows up and it is as if I am instantly in Heaven. This is like the entrance area of Heaven. Then Paul shows up from whatever part of Heaven he is in. Like a city. It takes him 3 seconds to get there. It would be like if you could go from Anchorage Alaska to New York City in three seconds. So then Paul spend three seconds telling me about what David was talking about. I have studied David a little about how the law was given so we could be "good". Still I do not understand Pauls teaching but when they give you a packet of understanding then over time we start to understand. Next Paul explains his teaching and that takes three seconds. I already understand that because the Holy Spirit of God teaches us what it means to be righteous or right before God. Then Paul asks me why I am not living right before God. As I tell you this story is is playing on what David said: "no one does good". I did not realize that at the time. I just right now realize that. It takes Paul three seconds to get back were he was. So that was 12 seconds of his time. Although he may have spent up to three more seconds thinking of our conversation. The angel told me that Paul wrote or gave us Romans around 2,000 years ago but it was written for us today. He wanted to know how well we were receiving today what he wrote to us back then at the time of the early church. Today we are the latter day church. This is a time that is even greater then the beginning. So people in the past looked forward to our day. People in the future will look back on all of this that we are going through.
I'm curious what does mentioning this have to do with eating pig?
 

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If that were true then God would have protected that pig meat from the virus. The proof is in the pudding. 300 people are sick and that is as clear of an indication as anyone should need that God stands behind His word.
beef & lamb and other factories processing kosher meats have also temporarily closed for the same reasons.

proof in pudding.
 

Billyd

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My grandmother lived 1 week short of 100 years. She ate bacon and eggs every morning of her life. She never cooked her vegetables without a slab of pork fat back in them. She ate vegetables twice a day. She always baked her daily bread with pork lard (rendered pork fat) as shortening. She was also physically active until the last few months of her life.

Soy beans grown here are GMO. Most of those used in the making Tofu are GMO. Pork is much safer to eat than Tofu.

If you think it is a sin to eat pork, for if to eat it is a sin. If you interpret the scriptures as I do, it is not a sin for me to eat pork.
 
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I'm curious what does mentioning this have to do with eating pig?
Pay attention to what is going on. I was answering a question that I was asked. The whole post is about the law that says we are not to eat pigs, thus the title. The discussion has to do with what PAUL says about the law given to us by Moses. There is a mis understanding about what Paul teaches. 2 Peter 3:6 " His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." The key word here is "destruction. Peter is telling us that people do not understand Paul to their own destruction. Paul tells us many are weak and sick and even there are people that have died: "For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep." (1cor11:30) Science shows us that when people eat right they are more healthy and they live longer. This is what Paul teaches.
 
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If you think it is a sin to eat pork,
We can go over this as many times as you want. After I was on a respirator in a coma for a week the doctor put me through what they call physical therapy. This involved exercise and a lot of teaching on how to eat right. This was 15 years ago. IF people do not follow the teaching to eat right they may get sick again within 5 years. Science and the Bible agree but HUGE HUGE HUGE amounts of money are spent telling people that it is ok to eat junk garbage food. It is not ok and you health well suffer for it. That is why God resurrected me from the dead. He know that I am going to tell you exactly what I am telling you. Otherwise I most likely not be alive right now If I were not telling people what God wants them to know. Hopefully people will repent and turn away from spreading misinformation.

The government does allow fat in the diet but it is very limited. Perhaps you never noticed this part of the label. It would be a good idea for you to study this and follow the recommendation of the Gov. This standard may not be perfect but at least they are getting people headed in the right direction.
 

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Roughsoul1991

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Pay attention to what is going on. I was answering a question that I was asked. The whole post is about the law that says we are not to eat pigs, thus the title. The discussion has to do with what PAUL says about the law given to us by Moses. There is a mis understanding about what Paul teaches. 2 Peter 3:6 " His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." The key word here is "destruction. Peter is telling us that people do not understand Paul to their own destruction. Paul tells us many are weak and sick and even there are people that have died: "For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep." (1cor11:30) Science shows us that when people eat right they are more healthy and they live longer. This is what Paul teaches.
Peter is telling us that people do not understand Paul
And you I suppose understand Paul? How do you know I'm not the one understanding Paul? How do you know which parts was Peter referring to? Peter was also not a trained theologian like Paul. Of course Paul's writings are deeper theologically.

For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep." (1cor11:30)
Again in context this isn't talking about physical food and drink. But is metaphorically speaking about Jesus as evident in the scriptures above it.

Your interpretation is twisting it.

Science shows us that when people eat right they are more healthy and they live longer.
Sure that is common sense. But science also shows having a piece of bacon every now and then isn't harmful.
 
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My wife and my son are Asian. So I always get a good laugh when people call me a racist. Also I know people accuse others of what THEY are guilty off. So you just admitted to us all that YOU are a racist. I ran my son's DNA and it came back northern China which is Mongolian when means he is a descendant of Genghis Khan. That is no surprise because Genghis is a common ancestor for 16 million people today. Although the people we are talking about has to do with the Empirer in Beijing and their desire to be in control. People have common ancestors because they were able to provide food for their descendants. Like this virus began with one person. Most likely a careless lab assistant. Now a large percentage of the world's population is infected after just a few months. On the first day of this year only 8 people were infected with the virus. Now in three or four months time over 200,000 are dead and the numbers are still increasing. But if we call this a "China virus" because it began in Wuhan China then you accuse us of being racist and I am going to accuse YOU of being a part of the cover up for the nature of this virus and what is going on.