No more Pig Meat!

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As explained in scripture we have 4 laws. Ceremonial, judicial, moral, and the law of Christ or law of grace.
Sounds like man made teaching to me that adds to the Bible. God is a God of Justice to be sure. He has impressed that upon me many times. But the Bible does not use words like: "ceremonial, judicial, moral" We read about commandments, ordinances, precepts and so on. "These are the commands, decrees and laws the LORD your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess" (Deut 6:1)

They teach in hermeneutics in Bible college. First you look at who the Bible was written for and the message for them. Then you look at our generation today and the message for us today. The message today is NOT to disregard the Bible and ignore the teaches that Moses gives us. This is why we need the Holy Spirit of God to be our Teacher and not man. Of course you can do whatever you want. The problem is what you teach other. That is what God is going to hold us accountable for.

God spoke directly with Moses. "With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" (Numbers 12:8) Are you not afraid to speak out against Moses and disregard what he is telling you? We should not take away OR add to the teaching that he gives us. Some people want to add to his teachings, some people want to take away from his teaching. Jesus says it is enough to follow the Bible.

Nothing was hidden from him. For us we have archetypes, patterns, paradigms and so on. We need the Holy Spirit of God to help us to understand the meaning of the symbols we find in our Bible. Some people call this a hidden messsge but we are told this is only hidden from those who are perishing: "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost" (2Cor4:3)
 
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Shi Zhengli, a researcher from the Wuhan Institute Of Virology, said on her social media the virus was the result of "nature punishing the uncivilized habits and customs of humans", and she is willing to "bet my life that [the outbreak] has nothing to do with the lab." Shi was the leading scientist who made the discovery the novel coronavirus can enter cells through ACE2 receptors and may have originated from bats.

So what you are saying is that science says it is wrong to eat bats. The Bible says it is wrong to eat bats. But for you it is perfectly acceptable to disregard science and disregard the Bible and eat all the Bats we want to eat.

Or perhaps you think we can pick and choose to follow the Bible when we want and disregard the teaching of the Bible when we want.
 

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That is not what the Bible teaches us. The problem is not eating pork. The problem is telling people that "pork is clean". .
Which is what I am doing.

Acts 10:15 explicitly says that God declared it clean. The Bible says it, so that's what it is.
 
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Which is what I am doing.

Acts 10:15 explicitly says that God declared it clean. The Bible says it, so that's what it is.
"Peter was puzzling over the meaning of the vision" The meaning of the vision is that the Gentiles could be saved. Not that it is safe to eat bugs and bats. If you want to eat bugs then go ahead and eat them. That is up to you if you want to eat bats and bugs.<img src="https://macrocritters.files.wordpre...lose-copyright-ernie-cooper-2013_filtered.jpg" alt="I&#39;m baaaack….Part III: fried bugs as a nutritious and tasty snack ..."/>
 

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I use to like eating pepperoni pizza. Only problem is it sets off my defibrillator (four times). If you ever wonder what that is like - is it like getting hit with a baseball bat. There is a wire that goes down into my heart the defibrillator thinks I am dead and is trying to shock me back to life again.

So you can do what you want. But I think I will pass on eating the pepperoni.
Yeah, eating pepperoni is not worth a near-death experience.
 

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Sounds like man made teaching to me that adds to the Bible. God is a God of Justice to be sure. He has impressed that upon me many times. But the Bible does not use words like: "ceremonial, judicial, moral" We read about commandments, ordinances, precepts and so on. "These are the commands, decrees and laws the LORD your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess" (Deut 6:1)

They teach in hermeneutics in Bible college. First you look at who the Bible was written for and the message for them. Then you look at our generation today and the message for us today. The message today is NOT to disregard the Bible and ignore the teaches that Moses gives us. This is why we need the Holy Spirit of God to be our Teacher and not man. Of course you can do whatever you want. The problem is what you teach other. That is what God is going to hold us accountable for.

God spoke directly with Moses. "With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" (Numbers 12:8) Are you not afraid to speak out against Moses and disregard what he is telling you? We should not take away OR add to the teaching that he gives us. Some people want to add to his teachings, some people want to take away from his teaching. Jesus says it is enough to follow the Bible.

Nothing was hidden from him. For us we have archetypes, patterns, paradigms and so on. We need the Holy Spirit of God to help us to understand the meaning of the symbols we find in our Bible. Some people call this a hidden messsge but we are told this is only hidden from those who are perishing: "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost" (2Cor4:3)
We read about commandments, ordinances, precepts and so on
Exactly. These are the different types of laws. If it was all the same then we wouldn't have 2 covenants. If you study law or the ancient theocracy of Israel then you would easily know the laws under the theocracy, the laws for how to judge or punish, and the moral implication behind the laws. Which is why we make law to begin with.

You still have barely hit on any of the verses in Hebrew which is ironic because the writer of the book of Hebrews was definitely a Jew. And would of definitely been more forceful about the Mosaic law if that hadn't been fulfilled.

They teach in hermeneutics in Bible college. First you look at who the Bible was written for and the message for them. Then you look at our generation today and the message for us today.
This is what I am trying to teach you. I'm surprised you have heard of it.

The message today is NOT to disregard the Bible and ignore the teaches that Moses gives us.
Not ignore but fulfilled. The moral implications behind the law still carry on. No longer do we need a animal sacrifice or should stone anyone for breaking certain laws. This isnt hard to understand.

This is why we need the Holy Spirit of God to be our Teacher and not man.
1 John 4:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

This is elementary stuff. I would test what Spirit are you listening too. Your spirit is more focused on work and Moses. The true Spirit would be speaking more about Jesus as Jesus is greater than Moses. Book of Hebrews also says this.
 

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My wife works for a nursing home where 0 people have died and 0 people have been reported to have the corona virus. Over 40 percent of Connecticut's coronavirus deaths have occurred in nursing homes. So to me this is an indication that they are doing their job here in Ohio. For you nothing means nothing so you would be just as happy to put your parents in a nursing home where there is a high death rate from the virus compared to a nursing home where the death rate is zero.
Not sure what your post has to do with eating pork. For the record though, my parents both died of cancer and my late second wife spent the last 2 years of her life in a nursing home because of crippling psoriatic arthritis. Regarding the nothing means nothing remark, I can assure you that the death of both of my parents and my late second wife mean quite a bit to me.
 

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The Book of Mark chapter 7:17 Now[u] when Jesus[v] had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him? 19 For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.”[w] (This means all foods are clean.)[x] 20 He said, “What comes out of a person defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the human heart, come evil ideas, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, evil, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, pride, and folly. 23 All these evils come from within and defile a person.”
 
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Not sure what your post has to do with eating pork. For the record though, my parents both died of cancer and my late second wife spent the last 2 years of her life in a nursing home because of crippling psoriatic arthritis. Regarding the nothing means nothing remark, I can assure you that the death of both of my parents and my late second wife mean quite a bit to me.
People that get healed do not always need to have faith for themselves for their healing. In the Bible there were friends, a boss and a parent that had faith to believe God to heal their loved one. My wife had faith to pray and intercede for me and that is why I am alive today. God did not need to use her to accomplish His purpose but that is what He choose to do so that he could strengthen her and build up her faith. This was why I became a Christian. I was disappointed in Science and how limited they are in their ability to be able to help people with the problems they are having. I was looking for answers and solutions. One day a friend suggested that I try God. I figured I had nothing to lose. They told me to read the Bible and they told me that the Holy Spirit of God would help me to understand the Bible. So that is what I did and for me I found what I was looking for, answers and solutions.
 
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stone anyone for breaking certain laws. This isnt hard to understand.
It is not difficult to understand at all. NO one would be left, everyone would be stoned to death. Jesus would be all alone. That is why for the joy set before Him He sacrificed Himself for His Bride. The reason we follow the law is for our own benefit, so we can be healthy. If you break the law you will get healed at the resurrection but you can expect sickness and disease in this life. I personally have died more times that I can count and God has raised me up from the dead. Then He tells me that if I would live right I would not have to go through that whole experience of being sick, having to die and having to be brought back to life again. Still it is my choice and He is not going to make my choices for me. If you think you can be a sinner and not pay a price for your sin then you are deceived. You may be saved, you may go to heaven, but your gonna suffer in this life - if you do not take care of the body that God had given to you. I smoked for 40 years and I abused my body. My dad tried to get me to quit, my brother tried to get me to quit but I would not listen to them and eventually it did kill me. But the fire department used their defibrillator and got my heart going again. The doctors put me on a respirator machine for a week to start to clear the garbage out of my lungs. I still have problems, it is difficult for example to go up and down the steps. But this was 15 years ago. I am still alive and I am here to tell you that God hates sin and no one is going to get away with anything. If you think people are getting away with something then you are deceived. This Universe is very exact and precise. The laws of God are very exact and precise. Be they moral, science or whatever you want to classify them law is law and they can not be broken or violated without paying a price. God is a God of absolute and perfect Justice. He has impressed that upon me many times.
 
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Yeah, eating pepperoni is not worth a near-death experience.
When they finally got the defibrillator straightened out they said there were three very rapid heart beats. So the defibrillator thought my heart was 150 beats per min from those three rapid heart beats and that is why I got shocked. I don't want to think about it. They have it adjusted and it is fixed now. In fact they put in a new one 5 years ago and I have not had any issues with that at all. It monitors the heart so it is a diagnostic tool like the computer on a car. As far as I know the doctor says everything is fine. God must have a reason He is keeping me alive and he must have a plan for the life He wants me to live. The Bible says: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" (Ecc3:1) So we know that God has a plan for us. If I follow the ornish plan to eat right, exercise and control stress - then my test results from the doctors continue to improve. At one time I had a blood pressure of 195 / 119 taken by the doctor himself. Then when I was going through the physical theropy I had the nurse take my blood pressure and it was around 110 over 60. I had her write it down to record it to show to the doctor. WE can gain that much improvement through diet and exercise. So people can tell me we do not have to follow the Bible and I say yes we do if we want to be healthy. We can choose life or death, blessing or curse, sickness or health, poverty or prosperity. We have many choices and God will not make our choices for us.
 
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Interesting that you do not read the warning: "Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters.” When you say eat whatever you want to eat even if it is going to make you sick and kill you then you nullify the word of God when we are told to: Choose life not death: "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live" (Deut 30:19)

God has a plan and a purpose and if we choose to be sick and die early then we are not going to be alive to accomplish all of God's plan and purpose for us in this life. Even babies are aborted so they do not get to experience any of their life here on Earth. We know that this is the work of the serpent " The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy" (John10:10)

I have been through Cardiac rehabilitation. I have seen the people that were killing themselves with their diet and life style choices. I see the medical profession doing all they can to turn these people around to get them to eat right begin to take their health serious. I made very good friends there. A man who did construction work like I did so we had so much in common. A very nice guy who owned a dairy queen restaurant that was a victim of his own poison. I saw a women that was so fat it took a bunch of medical people to get her on and off of the exercise equipment. But once she got on there she did pretty good with it and eventually she could have gotten herself straightened out. I had a diet I lost about 160 pounds once, even though over the years I gained 40 or 50 pounds of it back.

"Then I will say to myself, “You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take it easy. Eat, drink, and be merry!” But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be required of you. Then who will own what you have accumulated?" (Luke 12:19,20)
 

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Interesting that you do not read the warning: "Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters.” When you say eat whatever you want to eat even if it is going to make you sick and kill you then you nullify the word of God when we are told to: Choose life not death: "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live" (Deut 30:19)

God has a plan and a purpose and if we choose to be sick and die early then we are not going to be alive to accomplish all of God's plan and purpose for us in this life. Even babies are aborted so they do not get to experience any of their life here on Earth. We know that this is the work of the serpent " The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy" (John10:10)

I have been through Cardiac rehabilitation. I have seen the people that were killing themselves with their diet and life style choices. I see the medical profession doing all they can to turn these people around to get them to eat right begin to take their health serious. I made very good friends there. A man who did construction work like I did so we had so much in common. A very nice guy who owned a dairy queen restaurant that was a victim of his own poison. I saw a women that was so fat it took a bunch of medical people to get her on and off of the exercise equipment. But once she got on there she did pretty good with it and eventually she could have gotten herself straightened out. I had a diet I lost about 160 pounds once, even though over the years I gained 40 or 50 pounds of it back.

"Then I will say to myself, “You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take it easy. Eat, drink, and be merry!” But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be required of you. Then who will own what you have accumulated?" (Luke 12:19,20)
Interesting you did not read the footnote links in the scripture.