Is God Good?

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Magenta

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Dave-L said:
Who instructed the lying spirit to lie? God perhaps?
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When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; James 1:13
 
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Magenta said:
Agreed. Jesus WILLINGLY gave His life. It was for that purpose He incarnated :)
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God did kill His Son. Isaiah 53 says so. But the Christ was imputed our sins and was guilty of being a sinner, yet He never committed one sin[2 Cor. 5:21].
 
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Magenta said:
Agreed. Jesus WILLINGLY gave His life. It was for that purpose He incarnated :)
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John 10:

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.

18 I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.



 
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Dave-L said:
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Proverbs 1:7 (KJV 1900)
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The intellect or the head has it's own letter in the Hebrew. This letter looks very much like the dalet or the letter that represents the door. The eyes have their own letter, the mouth has it's own letter. There is actually even a letter for the back of the head. Even with 22 letters four of them are taken up with the head or the intellect. Wisdom, knowledge, understanding and so on. The beginning and the end of what we see and what we speak. Just as Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. We are told God knows the end from the beginning and He watches over His word to be sure that His Word accomplished His plan and purpose.
 
JohnR7

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posthuman said:
sounds like a hyper-calvinist
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My understanding of Calvinism is that they believe we do not have a free will or choice and God decides all of that. So we are just robots programed to do whatever our creator wants us to do. All based on the belief that God's Grace can not be resisted.
 
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Dave-L said:
You are mocking God as a display of wit?
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I'm mocking you and your lack of wit ;)

ps I'm not looking to be your enemy, but you tossed it over the net and I hit it back
 
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kaylagrl said:
ps I'm not looking to be your enemy, but you tossed it over the net and I hit it back
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same here; whoever Gordon Clark is, his answer to stock-atheist-attack #23 is poor. that's all ;)
 
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posthuman said:
Jesus is God,
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Jesus is the word of God. Through Mary He became flesh and took on physical form because of what Eve did. "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Genesis 3:15) Mary is a descendant of Eve and Jesus is a descendant - offspring - seed.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Jesus is the word of God. Through Mary He became flesh and took on physical form because of what Eve did. "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Genesis 3:15) Mary is a descendant of Eve and Jesus is a descendant - offspring - seed.
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Christ the Son is I AM manifest in the flesh

tons of evidences from scripture are collected in this thread
 
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JohnR7 said:
My understanding of Calvinism is that they believe we do not have a free will or choice and God decides all of that. So we are just robots programed to do whatever our creator wants us to do. All based on the belief that God's Grace can not be resisted.
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The interesting thing is that when God chooses that the "robots programed to do whatever our creator wants", He always chooses that the robot sin ... not that the robot refrain from sin.

iow ... the "elect" robot can disobey God and sin, sin, sin all the livelong day with no consequence because "elect".

But the non"elect" robot can't do anything but sin and the consequence is eternal death because non"elect".

So the non"elect" live exactly as God has "willed" and receives eternal death.

Try to get an honest (Scriptural) reply to that dilemma ...




 
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reneweddaybyday said:
But the non"elect" robot can't do anything but sin and the consequence is eternal death because non"elect".
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Everyone is written in the Lambs book of life. The issue has to do with who is blotted OUT of the Lambs book of life. "The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels." (Rev 3:5) So we are told that Jesus is the one that determines who He will confess before the Father.

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books." (Rev 20:12)

"And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak." (Matthew 12:22)
 
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JohnR7 said:
Everyone may have a different answer for this and that is fine. In the Bible we read about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This and the tree of life. I wonder: is good and evil balanced? Is there as much good as there is evil in this world? In the law of thermodynamics we have equilibrium (a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced). I talk about river rocks and how the water forms them in a way that they are very easy to balance. So we know there is a lot of balance in the universe, cosmos or world we live in. We ask why there is so much suffering. I know people that love to play the victim card. Yet if there is just as much pleasure as there is pain. If here is just as much good as there is evil - then everything in life and in the universe balances itself out and cancels itself out. In quantum physics everything would cancel itself out. So there has to be a million and one positive particles and a million negative in order for us to exist. It there was more negative then positive then I would think this would cancel everything out so that nothing could exist. Although you cannot have nothing without something to compare it to.

Then of course we do hear that God is abundantly above and beyond all that we could ever ask or think. If there were as much good somewhere as there is evil, pain, misery and suffering in this world, I would think that would be substantial. We also hear that we need to die to self so we can live for God. I am not sure how that plays into all of this.
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Good and evil apposes or turn things upside down. There is no darkness evil in God For instance what God calls two Satan calls one. taking away the understanding of God

Satan divides what God calls together and calls together what God calls separate . And when God say inspired from heaven Satan inspired from earth . God works all thing to the good pleasure of His will

The word good right from the beginning is a synonym for God .His invisible seal of protection.

And it was good of God not seen. When the Son of man seen was accused of standing in the holy place a abomination of desolation . .Jesus resisted men bowing down to him as a form of worship. He said one is Good Master not seen .

Good, God's good house approvable seal . She is made up of many lively stones.

Seven time during the work the seal "it is good" is recorded that last time, it was very good.

Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Walk by faith, mix the things seen the temporal with the unseen gospel .The tools are available.
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
The interesting thing is that when God chooses that the "robots programed to do whatever our creator wants", He always chooses that the robot sin ... not that the robot refrain from sin.

iow ... the "elect" robot can disobey God and sin, sin, sin all the livelong day with no consequence because "elect".

But the non"elect" robot can't do anything but sin and the consequence is eternal death because non"elect".

So the non"elect" live exactly as God has "willed" and receives eternal death.

Try to get an honest (Scriptural) reply to that dilemma ...
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They chose to sin .What some call the free will of dead men .

It was not the desire of God who is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires that they hear the voice of a stranger that required no faith . His glory departed .God willfully left .
 
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JohnR7 said:
Everyone is written in the Lambs book of life. The issue has to do with who is blotted OUT of the Lambs book of life. "The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels." (Rev 3:5) So we are told that Jesus is the one that determines who He will confess before the Father.

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books." (Rev 20:12)

"And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak." (Matthew 12:22)
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Its actually two books . Book of life, every name that would be created . And the lambs book of "born again" life. . every believer that was given the faith of God by which they can believe God is not a man .

Two seems to indicate the witness of God. One book is made useless by the other.
 
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