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All of that ^ for this:
Act 5:30 (KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

According to that verse who slew and hanged Jesus on a tree?




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Have you looked into the signified understanding of that parable? Or are you looking at the historical value in respect to the things seen and not mixing faith ?

According to the promise in Isiah 53 the cross part of the three day demonstration it were used to typify the results of the letter of the law (striking Christ the Rock with the letter of the law) .Together the just and the justifier. The father and Son as one work finished the work of suffering and power coming from the father not seen..

God is not a man

.The father pouring out the sufferings of the law not seen on the Son of man. In order to do what the letter could not do create new spirit life.

The Son of man of his own volition suffered the wage of sin .No literal help from the Satan influenced crowd either way in prayer or infliction. God simply will not share his glory work with the flesh An abomnonation of desolation

God is not a man
 

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garee,
Are you JW, Mormon, Nazarene, Essenes?
I don't care one way or another, but only a select few beliefs don't recognize Yeshua's Deity.

If I remember right, he does not believe in BIBLE TEACHERS.

And I told him, "No wonder he got so far off track."
 
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garee,
Are you JW, Mormon, Nazarene, Essenes?
I don't care one way or another, but only a select few beliefs don't recognize Yeshua's Deity.
My home church where I heard the gospel is called the Plymouth Brethren. Each individual groups is similar but they allow some wiggle room . They I believe as those that look to flesh of a Jew for some future hope. And I have a different end time understanding based on the instructions in verse 1 of Revelation Inspired and signified. .

It sets the stage to unlock the hidden gospel understanding throughout the book. Some feel safer to literalize the signified understanding hid from natural man .

We have our differences like most families. And I do not feel led to try and change their format. Especially the breaking of bread ceremony combined with the head unconverted from the man and the hair covered on the woman . A great sign to the world of the upcoming wedding Supper. The Elder are very honorable. I do have a opportunity to share with them periodically. Its not a easy work. I miss the commonality of the family .
 
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If I remember right, he does not believe in BIBLE TEACHERS.

And I told him, "No wonder he got so far off track."
I beleive what the bible, God's living abiding word teaches .It infallibly warns of of those who do say we need a man to teaches and commands us to abide in him as it is written .

The teaching Master or Lord, God's word calls them who say we must have a man teach us antichrists',.(a legion)

Antichrist = another teacher master other the the Holy Spirit. I just don't beleive there are the teachers. They plant the incorruptible seed and water with the doctrines of God but corruption cannot cause spirit growth as life. The flesh profits for zero.

.One is our Good Master God. Jesus refused to stand in the holy place as a abomination of desolation. God is not a man .

Whose track am I off. . still waiting? ? LOL

No man can serve two master tracks. Things of God or those of men ?
 

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How would that abomination of desolation be relevant today other than for historical value ?

The abomination of Desolation, is easily explain, if you do study what the JEWS thought would make the TEMPLE DESOLATE.
Have you ever HEARD what the High Priest must do on Day of Atonement before he entered the HOLY OF HOLIES, to sprinkle Blood on the MERCY SEAT.

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The Ark of the Covenant and the LID is known as the Mercy Seat.

No one knows for sure what the Ark of the Covenant looks like, but these make sense to me, as it has to has room to sit.


2 Chronicles 35:11 (NKJV)
11 And they slaughtered the Passover offerings; and the priests sprinkled the blood with their hands, while the Levites skinned the animals.

Leviticus 16:14-15 (ESV)
14 And he shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the front of the mercy seat on the east side, and in front of the mercy seat he shall sprinkle some of the blood with his finger seven times.
15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.


So when the High Priest went into the Holy of Holies on the DAY OF ATONEMENT, the LAST THING HE DID BEFORE ENTERING THE CURTAIN, WAS TO TIE A ROPE AROUND ONE OF HIS LEGS. THAT WAY THEY COULD DRAG HIM OUT QUICKLY IF HE DIED IN THERE.

So it is DEAD BODIES in or on top of the TEMPLE that DEFILES THE TEMPLE TO THE POINT IT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, in my opinion. When Antichrist marches into the TEMPLE, SITS DOWN, and NOW YOU WILL WORSHIP ME, or I will chop off your HEADS. The Temple Priests may be the first Martyrs to DIE of the Tribulation Saints. Where does HE DO IT? I think he told in the PROPHECY.


Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on {top of} a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO MAKE A PUBLIC SPECTACLE OF THE EXECUTIONS!

There is a stair case to the top of the TEMPLE, probably for cleaning purposes, and the FEAST OF TRUMPETS.

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Any one heard of the Ron Wyatt claim of finding the Ark of the covenant ? True or not it give me goose bumps

Ron claimed he found the Ark 20' below where Jesus was crucified sealed off in a cave , and that he turned it all over to the Israeli Rabbis .. One one hand they deny it and on the other when asked about the Ark concerning the temple rebuild they simply say ''we are ready ''
That Jesus blood actually dripped down through the crack in the rock caused by the earthquake and onto the mercy seat where Jeremiah had hid the Ark before the Babylonian exile .. True or not I don't know but who could make up a story like that ?
 

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Not exactly, but their refusal to believe in PRE-TRIB could cost them by NOT being Part of the WEDDING OF THE LAMB. If they DO NOT KEEP READY FOR THE BRIDEGROOM when HE COMES. If they BELIEVE ONLY in Post-Trib, where is the MOTIVATION to KEEP READY FOR THE BRIDEGROOM when HE COMES. If they Think Post-TRIB or just about, is IT; they do not have to get ready until after the MID-TRIB Event happens. Antichrist WILL take over the TEMPLE, or Tabernacle, and saying "NOW YOU WILL WORSHIP ME! "; WILL CERTAINLY MAKE INTERNATIONAL NEWS! THAT IS WHEN THE ANTICHRIST WILL SET HIS throne IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES, SHOWING he is now God. THUS they could be "LEFT BEHIND" if it is PRE-TRIB. That is EXACTLY WHAT Mat 25:1-13 is all about.

We however, BELIEVE WE MUST KEEP READY FOR OUR BRIDEGROOM AT ALL TIMES. Therefore WE WILL BE READY at PRE-TRIB, and if not then, WE WILL READY at MID-TRIB, and if not then, WE WILL BE READY AT OR NEAR POST-TRIB. I WAS EXPECTING My Bridgroom in the 1980's, and NOW I AM FILLED WITH THE EXPECTATION NOW, and WILL BE EXPECTING HIM UNTIL IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. IT IS PART OF MY LOVE FOR HIM.


Matthew 25:1-13 (NCV)
1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to wait for the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3 The five foolish bridesmaids took their lamps, but they did not take more oil for the lamps to burn.
4 The wise bridesmaids took their lamps and more oil in jars.
5 Because the bridegroom was late, they became sleepy and went to sleep.
6 “At midnight someone cried out,
’The bridegroom is coming! Come and meet him!’
7 Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready.
8 But the foolish ones said to the wise, ’Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
9 The wise bridesmaids answered, ’No, the oil we have might not be enough for all of us. Go to the people who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
11 “Later the others came back and said, ’Sir, sir, open the door to let us in.’
12 But the bridegroom answered,
’I tell you the truth, I don’t want to know you.’
{That inner, personal, relationship of loving HIM that comes with being Born Again.}
13 So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?



HOW MUCH DO I BELIEVE THIS that I was talking about. 100%! To give you an idea how much! I was in my Mail Truck in 1996, heading west about 3 blocks from the COAST on 7th Street, Crescent City, California. That is when I saw this open up in the clouds in about 1 second flat. I was so convinced that it COULD BE THE RAPTURE, so much so that I immediately PARKED my Mail Truck, and took my afternoon BREAK, and waited for what would happen NEXT, till break was over.

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What a WONDERFUL FEELING that the LORD WAS COMING, to CALL HIS BRIDE OUT OF THIS EARTH.
This Picture was in the Paper the next day. That is the Crescent City Light House, and I used to live about 5 blocks from that Light House.

So all believers are not invited to the wedding? Only those who believe in a pre-persecution timing?
And excluding all those who are martyred for his name during the tribulation?
 
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Why do you keep repeating this?

Why do you keep opposing it? No man can serve two Good Masters as Lord. The Son of man had no power to rebuke lying spirits . He said his corrupted flesh profited for nothing. He had the same power in his earthen body as us.Yet he was without sin. A living parable.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I thought that it was understood that Good is our unseen father's seal of approval or fingerprint ? And it was good, and again and again as in the end altogether very good. The seal of faith

.Its the way Jesus used it. He would not stand in the holy place as a abomination of desolation as if we did need a man to teach us. (antichrists, they insist that a man or creature be the teacher.) They teach if no lips are moving chose the oral tradition. .

Matthew 19:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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The abomination of Desolation, is easily explain, if you do study what the JEWS thought would make the TEMPLE DESOLATE.
Have you ever HEARD what the High Priest must do on Day of Atonement before he entered the HOLY OF HOLIES, to sprinkle Blood on the MERCY SEAT.

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The Ark of the Covenant and the LID is known as the Mercy Seat.

No one knows for sure what the Ark of the Covenant looks like, but these make sense to me, as it has to has room to sit.


2 Chronicles 35:11 (NKJV)
11 And they slaughtered the Passover offerings; and the priests sprinkled the blood with their hands, while the Levites skinned the animals.

Leviticus 16:14-15 (ESV)
14 And he shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the front of the mercy seat on the east side, and in front of the mercy seat he shall sprinkle some of the blood with his finger seven times.
15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.


So when the High Priest went into the Holy of Holies on the DAY OF ATONEMENT, the LAST THING HE DID BEFORE ENTERING THE CURTAIN, WAS TO TIE A ROPE AROUND ONE OF HIS LEGS. THAT WAY THEY COULD DRAG HIM OUT QUICKLY IF HE DIED IN THERE.

So it is DEAD BODIES in or on top of the TEMPLE that DEFILES THE TEMPLE TO THE POINT IT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, in my opinion. When Antichrist marches into the TEMPLE, SITS DOWN, and NOW YOU WILL WORSHIP ME, or I will chop off your HEADS. The Temple Priests may be the first Martyrs to DIE of the Tribulation Saints. Where does HE DO IT? I think he told in the PROPHECY.


Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on {top of} a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO MAKE A PUBLIC SPECTACLE OF THE EXECUTIONS!

There is a stair case to the top of the TEMPLE, probably for cleaning purposes, and the FEAST OF TRUMPETS.

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The Bible is its own dictionary. Eternal supernatural God who wrote the words defines them. Its his interpretation to us. by it as it is written we can obey the commandment to study to show our selves approved to Him who works in us to both will and perform the good pleasure of his will .

If you take away the interpretation authority then plagiarism a form of blasphemy can gets its foot in the door. We must be careful how we hear. Change the meaning of one word can alter the authorities mind set.

To make desolate is to render useless .In that way no man can serve two teaching master .That of God not seen and those of men .

The Lord through Jesus the prophet rebuked Satan and forgave Peter of his part in the work of blaspheming the holy name by which men are called or moved heavenward.(Mathew 16)

A distinction must be made between the things of God and those of men the corrupted creature.

Jesus in the last days is used as a living parable revealing the will of the father that worked in Jesus. Jesus physically leaving and shutting the door gives us the gospel understanding. It did not refer to the article inside the temple but the walls . The whole house, a pagan foundation was made desolate when Jesus closed the door. The disciples that gloried in what the eyes see were in wonderment . and wanted him to go back in . Like were your eyes closed? Did you see the gold?

There was no living word of God inside. Jesus , led by the voice of His father walked out showing us his understanding from the father, not his own will . Walking throughout the bible represents understanding or faith . . Most of been a great relief to make that house as a abomination of desolation dust in the wind .

Dusted off his feet and moved to the mountains as a sign against unbelief.(no faith) .

Mathew23: 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

We see by faith the revealing of the father.

The work of two . The unseen the greater position with the display . Not greater authority. God is one.

Not made with human hand we are the temple Christ is the unseen power within.

learn what it means to walk by faith. It provides the light needed to believe. A life time good work of God that does work in us. He calls it salvation.

Looking at a touching things does not equal the will of our father in heaven . Faith is needed to understand.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

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Why do you keep opposing it?
Quote me where I have opposed it even once. Then explain why you keep repeating it to others.

What I oppose is your mindless repetition of statements that are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

Garee, you are confused and in error about many things. Your denial of the deity of Jesus Christ is most concerning.
 

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Not sure what happened, it would only post the one TREE PICTURE, and none of the rest ? ? ?

Do you really believe the BIBLE ? ? ? I Hope So, or you will not understand my explanation.

You do understand that Mortals of the Earth, will carrying on life on this planet, for another 1000 years, after CHRIST RETURNS, and the ETERNAL STATE, (New Heaven our Atmosphere, and New Earth symbolizes), actually begin.

HE is KING OF THE EARTH, while We are in HEAVEN in the NEW DWELLING PLACE HE as built for us in HIS Father's House, don't You ? ? ?

Zechariah 14:9 (HCSB)
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

GOD is not finished with ISRAEL.

The Seventh Week of Daniel happens immediately AFTER the Church-Age Ends. That is the final seven years with man ruling this earth.



YES, I believe that Chart is Almost 100% accurate. The Temple WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT to fulfill GOD's Prophecies. However, I believe a 4th TEMPLE will be needed, and it could even be built by Christ Himself.



Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
15 Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations, {Symbolism for FOREVER.}
16 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
17 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
18 I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

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How are you going to post SO much scripture, SOOO much, and yes I read it all trying to follow you, and nothing you posted supports the grand ideas you're putting forth here. I don't see it, to be honest I feel every last one of them fits exactly what I'm saying. Not what you're putting forth.

This idea that "God still has plans for the Jews", is so dangerous in my point of view, that it is as anti-Semitic as one can get. Yes God has a plan for the Jew, He brought it to the world through them, His name is Jesus Christ, and the ONLY way they can be saved is through Him. Jesus Christ is King "RIGHT NOW!!!!!" Holla-Boo-Ya, and reigning over everything with ALL authority in heaven, AND, "ON EARTH", until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. All this is a problem and ever bit of the problem is from bring an idea TO the text, absolutely every idea you're suggesting is in the text, you only see because you've been taught forever by everyone in mainstream Christianity.

One of the biggest things we MUST understand when going into this text, is that Jesus was not talking to YOU or ME, these words recorded were addressing someone else in that time. We can't act like these words were addressed to us like He was talking directly to us, He wasn't. Please don't get me wrong, His word is for us, and every last one a blessing from Him, but when Jesus was telling them about the AoD, and end of the AGE (NOT the end of the world), He was not speaking to me or you, so when He looks His disciples in their eyes and says "Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.", you can';t convince me that from this passage, without BRINGING to the text, that anyone could ever think this meant that "a long time from now, in a far far away place these things will take place." You just can't.

Now please don't just try to bury me with proof text and "gotcha" scriptures like this last comment. Can you and I just speak from our own mouths and hearts here, and use our gift of reason to reason this out together?

Also, I didn't catch your answer to the very simple 2 problems I put forth, but lets start with 1, if you want to of course. All that text you posted, and you danced around what I asked without dealing with the reason I had a problem. That reason being God having to command His temple built, after we are told not to ADD anything to His word, and that anyone comes saying "God told me this, or that..." So now are we waiting for Him to command this when He told us already that He spoke to us in these last days through Jesus. And I don't see anywhere that even mentions a 3rd temple, let alone orders us to build one. So are we still waiting for the Father to give direct revelation again?

I understand you DO believe there will be a 3rd temple, got it, and for the first time ever I have heard of a 4th temple, something that you are the first person I've ever heard make any mention of. At all ever.
But do you believe that God must command us to build the temple in order for them to be "God's temple", or do you believe men can stack some bricks up and declare it to be Gods temple? I believe that unless by direct revelation from God a temple is built, even if they could find out where and how to build it in the exact same spot, the same way exactly, then I say it's no more holy that any other stack of bricks. Please in this answer just talk to me, don't post a mile long bunch of "mish mash" scripture with commentaries expecting me to read it all and guess what you meant. Please just tell me if you think that God HAS to be in command of this temple being built?
 
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So all believers are not invited to the wedding? Only those who believe in a pre-persecution timing?
And excluding all those who are martyred for his name during the tribulation?
Only the ones that had the Holy Spirit oil born again oil to direct their paths .

Its terrible how the new testament ceremonial law (1 Corintians 11) involved two kinds of shadows working as one a representation of the glory of God not seen . Today that work of revealing to the world the hidden things of God have all but made useless desolate. as a wedding invitation to the world .

Satan had fallen.(Revelation 20) .Therefore that lying spirt was no longer able to deceive all the nations (mankind) that they must get under the the letter of the law. (usurping its authority) The tool Satan uses for murdering mankind. .

The father of lies showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and all the false glory. The father rebuked the devil by putting his words on the mouth of Jesus over and over as it is written. . the power of the father's rebuke caused the liar to take a long walk off a short flaming pier.

We are in the tribulation, the last days. The wrath of God (corruption) that began in the garden is still being revealed from heaven. The letter of the law is still pricking the hard hearts of mankind.

It tenderized the heart of Paul making it soft as God performed his will with Paul, in Paul
 
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Quote me where I have opposed it even once. Then explain why you keep repeating it to others.

What I oppose is your mindless repetition of statements that are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

Garee, you are confused and in error about many things. Your denial of the deity of Jesus Christ is most concerning.
Opposed like sparks fly .

I dont deny the deity Christ .But rather confirm it by faith (his understanding)

I deny that a eternal supernatural Spirit is a man just as he does also. One is GOOD Master.. God. No man can serve two. Jesus served one.

Have you tried on the the doctor's order in 2 Corinthians 4:18 The faith prescription needed to rightly divide the parables prophecy?

Those who literalize the signified understand or interpretation put there hope in historical, (Museum ($$$ lust of the eye.. ) value as a temporal value. They forfeit the gospel understanding.

You clearly struggle with limiting prophecy as to the many manners giving one more authority than another it would appear making some into good bedtime stories not looking to find the hidden treasure that does work from the inside.
And not the outer temple of death . .(flesh and blood). .

Is tongues prophecy, the poetic language as its own interpreter?

Does the sign as a law in 1 Corinthians 14 point to those who mock God and even after warning them again and again they show contempt for sola scriptura and to show their unbelief make a noise falling backward as mocking again and and again .And they proudly call that being "filled" with something. The only thing I could think they are filling is themselves with a wonderment ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .No need to decide when a persons wonders where it came from .. just edify one self make a noise fall backward. .

Jesus said its an evil unregenerate nation , as mankind .The faithless generation that seeks after lying wonders.

Prophecy is for believers. It is a sign those who speak with a new tongue (the gospel) They hear and beleive. The new tongue (gospel) drives out the the lying tongue of no understanding raises men from the dead (no faith) .

The gift is not make noises without understandings and distort the gatherings. They are identified as those who mock God.

I would have nothing to do with following that kind of gospel .It does not sound like good news to me. More like bad advice.

The Fill-er to the brim kind of religion . Do a miracle then we we believe. Who needs faith.?

The what they call faith, as power should edify the ones that are catching a person . If they are not paying attention to the lead voice of faith influenced from somewhere. . They could cause damage to themselves and those around .Then an Emergency vehicle would be part of the work of making noises without understanding. Then the babies would start crying. Confusion wonderment at its peak .

I would think a contrite heart would serve the purpose. Less emergency vehicles required.

The idea of sign gifts being seen, getting filled is a work of the whole church that edifies themselves..

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
 

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Opposed like sparks fly .
Since you can't QUOTE ME where I have opposed the statement, "God is not a man", you need to withdraw your accusation that I 'repeatedly" oppose it. Get some integrity and stop making groundless accusations.

I dont deny the deity Christ .But rather confirm it by faith (his understanding)
I deny that a eternal supernatural Spirit is a man just as he does also. One is GOOD Master.. God. No man can serve two. Jesus served one.
Make the matter clear for everyone: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God? A simply "Yes" or "No" is all that is needed in response. If you add anything else, I will take it as a "No".

Have you tried on the the doctor's order in 2 Corinthians 4:18 The faith prescription needed to rightly divide the parables prophecy?

Those who literalize the signified understand or interpretation put there hope in historical, (Museum ($$$ lust of the eye.. ) value as a temporal value. They forfeit the gospel understanding.
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Is tongues prophecy, the poetic language as its own interpreter?

Does the sign as a law in 1 Corinthians 14 point to those who mock God and even after warning them again and again they show contempt for sola scriptura and to show their unbelief make a noise falling backward as mocking again and and again .And they proudly call that being "filled" with something. The only thing I could think they are filling is themselves with a wonderment ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .No need to decide when a persons wonders where it came from .. just edify one self make a noise fall backward. .

Jesus said its an evil unregenerate nation , as mankind .The faithless generation that seeks after lying wonders.

Prophecy is for believers. It is a sign those who speak with a new tongue (the gospel) They hear and beleive. The new tongue (gospel) drives out the the lying tongue of no understanding raises men from the dead (no faith) .

The gift is not make noises without understandings and distort the gatherings. They are identified as those who mock God.

I would have nothing to do with following that kind of gospel .It does not sound like good news to me. More like bad advice.

The Fill-er to the brim kind of religion . Do a miracle then we we believe. Who needs faith.?

The what they call faith, as power should edify the ones that are catching a person . If they are not paying attention to the lead voice of faith influenced from somewhere. . They could cause damage to themselves and those around .Then an Emergency vehicle would be part of the work of making noises without understanding. Then the babies would start crying. Confusion wonderment at its peak .

I would think a contrite heart would serve the purpose. Less emergency vehicles required.

The idea of sign gifts being seen, getting filled is a work of the whole church that edifies themselves..

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Blah blah blah. None of this has any relevance to the topic at hand. I suspect you don't understand what "relevance" means.

You clearly struggle with limiting prophecy as to the many manners giving one more authority than another it would appear making some into good bedtime stories not looking to find the hidden treasure that does work from the inside.
You clearly struggle with English. Take a class and stop afflicting us with your nonsensical bafflegab.
 

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Why do you keep opposing it? No man can serve two Good Masters as Lord. The Son of man had no power to rebuke lying spirits . He said his corrupted flesh profited for nothing. He had the same power in his earthen body as us.Yet he was without sin. A living parable.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I thought that it was understood that Good is our unseen father's seal of approval or fingerprint ? And it was good, and again and again as in the end altogether very good. The seal of faith

.Its the way Jesus used it. He would not stand in the holy place as a abomination of desolation as if we did need a man to teach us. (antichrists, they insist that a man or creature be the teacher.) They teach if no lips are moving chose the oral tradition. .

Matthew 19:15-17 King James Version (KJV) And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus was/is God come in the flesh .. He laid down His power to operate as a man through the Father, yet He was no less God .. Jesus was tempted by Satan himself in the desert and showed us how to defeat the Devil using the Word of God .. You will never understand until it is revealed to you from on high . Jesus is Lord and God, same one God .. If you simply didn't understand it then calling out to Jesus and His name is enough but since you take authority to preach against it you are become liable for your own words .. God saved us from the cross and His name is YHWH Jesus .. You need to go slap your preacher now if he told you different ..
 
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Since you can't QUOTE ME where I have opposed the statement, "God is not a man", you need to withdraw your accusation that I 'repeatedly" oppose it. Get some integrity and stop making groundless accusations.
Is God a man? Is Jesus a daysman?

Was the Son of man correct in refusing to stand in the holy place of the father called God, as Good Master or did he commit the abomination of desolation and make void the unseen holy place of faith?

No man can serve two masters. Just like in the parable of Luke 16

Make the matter clear for everyone: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God? A simply "Yes" or "No" is all that is needed in response. If you add anything else, I will take it as a "No".
I have informed you .God is not a man . He is eternal supernatural Spirit the born again progenitor of the new creation .

If you refuse to do the research "no" is always a good answer to change the subject. or yes if its the wife. I get the no. . go study

Blah blah blah. None of this has any relevance to the topic at hand. I suspect you don't understand what "relevance" means.
Blah blah blah blah . yes I have wool. three bags full LOL
You clearly struggle with English. Take a class and stop afflicting us with your nonsensical bafflegab.
You clearly struggle with walking by faith. Study to show yourself approved.. and then perhaps you will not have to literalize the signified understanding in the parables .
 

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So all believers are not invited to the wedding? Only those who believe in a pre-persecution timing?
And excluding all those who are martyred for his name during the tribulation?

Depends what you mean by ALL BELIEVERS.

NO, the Tribulation Martyred Saints, who do not take the MARK of the BEAST, they arrive Late, but they do arrive, IF THEY TRULY ARE Born Again.

John 3:3 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:5 (YLT)
5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

Matthew 25:4 (HCSB)
4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps. {Symbolizes the HOLY SPIRIT in our HEARTS or Human Spirit.}

Matthew 25:12-13 (HCSB)
12 “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’ {That inner, personal, AGAPE LOVE that ONLY comes thru the Born Again experience. Rom. 5:5, where you willingly surrender out of AGAPE LOVE for HIM forever.}
13 Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.

Luke 12:35-40 (NIV)
35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning,
36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.
37 It will be good for
those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them.
38 It will be good for
those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night.
39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into.
40
You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.


Revelation 16:2 (NCV)
2 The first angel left and poured out his bowl on the land. Then ugly and painful sores came upon all those who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his idol.

Revelation 20:15 (NCV)
15 And anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


Yes, their is what GOD say will HAPPEN. I believe it will happen Literally.

You see being a disciple does not mean you are SAVED, it only means they are FOLLOWERS, look it up.

Being BORN AGAIN, guaranties SALVATION.
 

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Is God a man? Is Jesus a daysman?

Was the Son of man correct in refusing to stand in the holy place of the father called God, as Good Master or did he commit the abomination of desolation and make void the unseen holy place of faith?

No man can serve two masters. Just like in the parable of Luke 16
Stop your ridiculous dancing around and just answer the question: Yes or No.

I have informed you .God is not a man . He is eternal supernatural Spirit the born again progenitor of the new creation .
All you have done is repeated yourself and supported your assertions with bafflegab, not Scripture.

If you refuse to do the research "no" is always a good answer to change the subject. or yes if its the wife. I get the no. . go study
Go study basic English.

You clearly struggle with walking by faith.
Try making an accusation for which you can provide evidence.

Study to show yourself approved.. and then perhaps you will not have to literalize the signified understanding in the parables .
Yawn.
 

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How are you going to post SO much scripture, SOOO much, and yes I read it all trying to follow you, and nothing you posted supports the grand ideas you're putting forth here. I don't see it, to be honest I feel every last one of them fits exactly what I'm saying. Not what you're putting forth.
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Could this be the Problem ?

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 (NIV)
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


Born Again is essential for UNDERSTANDING.

You have to come to HIM sincerely MOURNING over your utter Sinfulness.
You have to willingly surrender to HIM, out of GODLY LOVE, receiving HIM as LORD of YOUR LIFE, giving HIM complete Control.

It is VERY REAL. He will put it on your heart what HE wants changed, and HE will put it on your Heart, what HE wants you to do. And HE will give you Understanding and Hunger for HIS WORD.