The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

The propecies speak about David (athough he has been long dead), saying "My servant David shall be their prince forever". So what is this about Jacob? Israel? David? Serving the Lord their God? Peace and quiet for Jacob? Dwelling in the land that was given to Jacob?
These few verses alone comprehensively destroy any notions of preterism. Or amillennialism.
I can easily provide literally hundreds of similar verses. Preterism and amillennialism are heresies, and can be proven so effortlessly.

https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/ezekiel/34/20-24

https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/ezekiel/37/25-28
Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, cforever; and dMy servant David shall be their prince forever.

https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/jeremiah/30/8-10
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And fDavid their king,
Whom I will graise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore hdo not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed ifrom the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.

I am not sure is that mean they believe everything in the bible had been happen?

The "restoration" of WHAT?

Surely you are not referring to the same thing that Acts 3:21 [Peter] said [and Peter SAID this quite a while AFTER the Cross happened, mind you],

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

hi Jackson my brother!
good to see you here!

this is probably a good definition of preterism

Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

The restoration of the tabernacle of David.

I have provided numerous accounts of 1 first hand account and many others from several Church Fathers confirming that John was indeed placed onto the Isle of Patmos under the orders of Domitian around 94 AD. And then after Domitian's death in 96 AD, John was released and he lived the rest of his days till around 100 AD serving in the Church of Ephesus (the Church Paul originated).

Are you then claiming the Church Fathers are not being honest here?

And by the fact, the Church Fathers make this claim, how then would it apply to 70 AD/preterism?

Knowing from the Church Fathers that John served and wrote Revelations around 95 AD, wouldn't that make John's vision more relative to our day and time and coming events?

But what does the "AFTER THIS / AFTER THESE" refer to?


14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take [G2983] out of [ex/ek - G1537] the nations [/the Gentiles] a people for His name, 15 and to this agree the words of the prophets, as it hath been written:

16 After these [things] I will turn back [/will return], and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright —

17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord [...]


"AFTER THESE" what?

not at all. it's very possible that John the apostle did write revelation about 95 ad.

Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Who was Jacob yoked to when Christ came? [...]

Are you suggesting that the "144,000" (who are said to be "FIRSTFRUIT," btw) existed on the earth BEFORE the Cross?




[I would suggest you read my Posts #226, 228, 233, 235, and 238 very carefully... for they pertain to the CHRONOLOGY of the contents of the Olivet Discourse, which SEQUENCE issues you are missing]

This gets back to what Peter said in Acts 3.

In Acts 3:22, Peter refers to Jesus having been the One that was [the fulfillment of] "RAISE UP unto you" but here speaks of the aspect of "a PROPHET like unto [MOSES]"... and it is this "PROPHET" aspect that refers to His being "raised up" to a position of prominence BEFORE the Cross (that is, DURING His earthly ministry BEFORE His death / the Cross).

See also Acts 3:11-26, Acts 7:37 (37-45), and Deut18:15-20, ALL re: "PROPHET" (His position as "PROPHET" and which aspect pertains to the "SUFFERING SERVANT" aspect they had overlooked/bypassed [thus themselves FULFILLING those very things: His REJECTION and DEATH], vv.13,26 [BEFORE His death])

This is distinct from His position as "KING" (which is what the Jer30:9's "raise up unto them" refers to... "KING"). And presently, He is in the position of "Priest" [interceding, etc] (and later, upon His return, "Priest-King" also).



It is in THIS context that 3:21 says the "whom heaven must receive UNTIL..."

[and this is also why there is a DISTINCTION between John 6:39 (re: things) and John 6:40 (re: persons)... the "THINGS" will ALSO be "raise[d] up IN THE LAST DAY" (not lasting merely "a singular 24-hr day")]

When as a preterist you start with the utter and final abandonment of Israel by God, and the breaking of His unconditional Covenants thereof, what do expect but a total breakdown and failure to comprehend of every other scruple of Scripture? And everyone is still bewildered how team amillenialist here are still totally clueless despite literally backing up the truck and dumping a load of infallible verses upon them?

This gets back to what Peter said in Acts 3.

In Acts 3:22, Peter refers to Jesus having been the One that was [the fulfillment of] "RAISE UP unto you" but here speaks of the aspect of "a PROPHET like unto [MOSES]"... and it is this "PROPHET" aspect that refers to His being "raised up" to a position of prominence BEFORE the Cross (that is, DURING His earthly ministry BEFORE His death / the Cross).

See also Acts 3:11-26, Acts 7:37 (37-45), and Deut18:15-20, ALL re: "PROPHET" (His position as "PROPHET" and which aspect pertains to the "SUFFERING SERVANT" aspect they had overlooked/bypassed [thus themselves FULFILLING those very things: His REJECTION and DEATH], vv.13,26 [BEFORE His death])

This is distinct from His position as "KING" (which is what the Jer30:9's "raise up unto them" refers to... "KING"). And presently, He is in the position of "Priest" [interceding, etc] (and later, upon His return, "Priest-King" also).



It is in THIS context that 3:21 says the "whom heaven must receive UNTIL..."

[and this is also why there is a DISTINCTION between John 6:39 (re: things) and John 6:40 (re: persons)... the "THINGS" will ALSO be "raise[d] up IN THE LAST DAY" (not lasting merely "a singular 24-hr day")]

The Jews were not, have never been and never will be God's chosen people. God chooses whom ever he wants from whatever blood line he wants. Our ethnic heritage has nothing to do with election.

Rom_9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Who was Jacob yoked to when Christ came?
Who was Jacob in bonds to when Christ came?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who did the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ came?

Answer those questions and you will know the exact time frame of Jeremiah 30. Or if you prefer, try to make fit these questions.

Who will Jacob be yoked to when Christ comes again?
Who will Jacob be in bonds to when Christ comes again?
Who are the strangers that will no longer serve themselves in the person that Jacob is yoked to?
Who will the strangers (The Gentiles) begin to serve when Christ comes again?

Either way you look at it, Jesus became their king when he was raised from the dead or arguably, when he made his triumphal entry. But either way the timing is still the same.... right at his death and resurrection.

Even though just a couple of verses down Jesus said that this current generation would not pass till all those things be fulfilled?

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 7
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

You never heard of "the servitude of the nation" and "the desolations of Jerusalem"? Hint: its the fisrt and third seige of Nebuchadnezzar. Thats the bondage being spoken of here. You are batting zero so far. Your exegesis is 100% totally wrong. And no, there is ZERO regarding the Church here either.

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